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Author Topic:   Continuation of Flood Discussion
Capt Stormfield
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Message 84 of 1304 (731342)
05-05-2014 4:03 PM


Re: The point is not whether God is behind it but whether it is miraculous
So you're saying it just coincidentally rained at the exact time your god got pissed off? Because it either happened naturally, according to physical laws, or by a violation of natural processes. I don't see any coherent middle ground there.

  
Capt Stormfield
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Message 400 of 1304 (731658)
05-19-2014 1:10 PM


Re: salt basin
"Sorting fossils in water' is not something I've ever said.

...and that, if it were true, would just exacerbate the problem. Issues like the ones JonF raised are observable in the real world. You seem to follow a consistent pattern of segregating factoids from their real world context and then attempting to explain them with ad hoc rationalizations. This has led to your failure to present any coherent explanation of how your proposed flood would work when all available observations are considered at the same time.

It's easy to make up hypotheses when you don't let all those other facts intrude. But, as you said earlier:

It rapidly gets too complex and requires an enormous amount of time...

Yes. Yes it does. That is why current theory has required hundreds of years and the life-work of thousands of dedicated people to develop. How on earth do you see this reality, which you just acknowledged, as supporting your ad hoc "I don't want to talk about all that other stuff right now" style of argument?


  
Capt Stormfield
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Message 826 of 1304 (732387)
07-07-2014 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 823 by Faith
07-07-2014 12:16 AM


Re: Imagination rules in the sciences of the unwitnessed past
This sagging of the strata would have occurred of course after all the strata were in place, or otherwise they'd have been laid down horizontally as is the habit of sediments; but why does this happen so often where there is salt?

How does salt arrive at its destination?
Why do puddles tend to locate themselves in holes?
Is the middle of a hole sagging, or are the edges pushed up?
So many questions.
If only there were some books on this...


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 830 of 1304 (732391)
07-07-2014 8:33 AM
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07-07-2014 12:16 AM


Re: Imagination rules in the sciences of the unwitnessed past
...but what you mean by "sand dunes" is an incredibly thick block of sandstone that is crossbedded like dunes and there rather definitively ends its resemblance to anything dunish...

Other than being made of sand and being arranged in the shape of a dune, are there any other characteristics that a thing could have that would make it more "dunish"?

I'm curious as to just when a dune shaped pile of sand ceases to be a dune and becomes a mysterious flood sediment.


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 869 of 1304 (732483)
07-07-2014 8:27 PM
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07-07-2014 1:24 PM


Re: Imagination rules in the sciences of the unwitnessed past
A block of sandstone, flat on all sides, is not shaped like a dune. Would think that pretty obvious myself.

And the blocks of wood in my workshop are not shaped like trees. Yet by looking at them, I can tell you what kind of tree they are from, what that tree was shaped like, which parts of the wood grew in "good" years and which in "bad", and on and on. Yet the blocks of wood are not shaped like trees. How can this be?

Could it be because I have taken the time to actually learn something about trees and the boards they are sometimes turned into? Could it be that those who study geology have similarly learned how to recognise the characteristics of dunes in the blocks of sandstone they sometimes become?

PS: If you have some big trees that you want to move from one place to another after you've killed them, the Hayes HDw in my avatar photo is one hell of a tool for accomplishing that task.


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