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JonF
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Message 1096 of 1304 (733009)
07-13-2014 1:09 PM


You know what Faith's missing? She can't wrap her head around the concept of millions of years. Not even as a hypothetical.
The mainstream view is that the sedimentation that is going on today is typical of what's been going on for million of years.
Faith's view is that the sedimentation today is much slower than her fantasy fludde. Well in her paradigm that's correct... but her paradigm is completely divorce from reality.
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Faith 
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Message 1097 of 1304 (733012)
07-13-2014 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1083 by Minnemooseus
07-12-2014 9:24 PM


Re: Depositing on top of the Holocene?
I'm too used to "Geologic Column" to change to "geologic section" or "the geology of the location". Don't see why there should be a problem. It refers to the physical strata.

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Faith 
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Message 1098 of 1304 (733013)
07-13-2014 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1086 by Minnemooseus
07-12-2014 10:49 PM


Re: The Holocene is a time period!!!
Imagine that we were having this conversation during what turned out to be the final part of the Pleistocene. Then you would be saying "There won't be a time period after the Pleistocene reflected as part of the Geologic Column because it DOES have to be represented by a layer on top of the Pleistocene."
Yet the Holocene happened, and eventually there will be an epoch that happens after the Holocene. We won't live to see it. Maybe humanity won't live to see it, as its beginning may be defined by the human extinction. And sedimentation etc. will go on, as part of the postHolocene "geologic column".
But we aren't in the Pleistocene and there won't be anything after the Holocene. I think this is apparent in the fact that the time periods are constructed on the upward climb of the strata and there aren't going to be any more strata.
Anyway, what exactly to YOU mean by the term "geologic column"? Is it "geologic time scale" or is it "stratagraphic section"? Are you talking the sum of the time periods of the Earth's history, or are you talking about the rocks?
It's the rocks, always the rocks, only the rocks. Specifically the strata on which the Geologic Time Scale was constructed.

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Faith 
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Message 1099 of 1304 (733014)
07-13-2014 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1091 by edge
07-13-2014 12:49 AM


Re: The Holocene is a time period!!!
If sedimentation is continuing on the bottom of the ocean it is NOT "continuing upward." Time can't stop continuing upward and onward of course but sedimentation obviously can and does. If it isn't building on the existing Geologic Column then the column has ended, and so has the Geo Time Scale. Not time itself of course.

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Faith 
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Message 1100 of 1304 (733016)
07-13-2014 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1092 by edge
07-13-2014 12:56 AM


Erosion doesn't do that. Besides, it's all a lot of guessing you're doing. You've never seen it happen.

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Faith 
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Message 1101 of 1304 (733017)
07-13-2014 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1093 by Dr Adequate
07-13-2014 4:42 AM


Re: The Holocene is a time period!!!
Apart from anything else, the Holocene strata are, in fact, on top.
Yeah, but it's stopped and whatever is continuing is continuing NOT on top, so say you all. End of Geo Column, end of Geo Time Scale.

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Faith 
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Message 1102 of 1304 (733018)
07-13-2014 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1096 by JonF
07-13-2014 1:09 PM


You know what Faith's missing? She can't wrap her head around the concept of millions of years. Not even as a hypothetical.
The mainstream view is that the sedimentation that is going on today is typical of what's been going on for million of years.
Faith's view is that the sedimentation today is much slower than her fantasy fludde. Well in her paradigm that's correct... but her paradigm is completely divorce from reality.
I think it's a lot easier to believe in the millions and billions of years really, which I did for the first fifty years of my life.
No, what I'm saying here I'm saying on the basis of observation that the whole geological structure that framed the Geological Time Scale that is the foundation of the Old Earth and Evolution, has stopped. I like the map of Great Britain as well as my favorite cross section of the GC-GS area for this.
I'm also responding not just to my own observations but to the claims that the sedimentation is no longer continuing on the Geologic Column but at the bottom of the sea, in river deltas and so on.

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ringo
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Message 1103 of 1304 (733019)
07-13-2014 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1067 by Faith
07-12-2014 6:39 PM


Re: Geological Time Scale REQUIRES ascent to make sense
Faith writes:
Lot more of them on the surface than in the column.
There are a lot more New Yorkers in New York than in Dallas. Does that mean you can ignore the New Yorkers that are in Dallas?
The fact is that there are burrows and trackways buried in the column. If the whole column was created by the Flood, how did those burrows and trackways get down there?

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PaulK
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Message 1104 of 1304 (733020)
07-13-2014 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1102 by Faith
07-13-2014 1:59 PM


quote:
I'm also responding not just to my own observations but to the claims that the sedimentation is no longer continuing on the Geologic Column but at the bottom of the sea, in river deltas and so on.
I'm pretty sure that you're badly misunderstanding everything. Especially as the last sentence would be better written as "...sedimentation is still continuing in basins, river deltas and the sea, just as it did in the distant past"

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edge
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Message 1105 of 1304 (733021)
07-13-2014 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1098 by Faith
07-13-2014 1:37 PM


Re: The Holocene is a time period!!!
But we aren't in the Pleistocene and there won't be anything after the Holocene.
Well, this is 2014 and there won't be anything after that.
Your posts become more and more bizarre as the thread wears on, Faith.
I think this is apparent in the fact that the time periods are constructed on the upward climb of the strata and there aren't going to be any more strata.
Why not?

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edge
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Message 1106 of 1304 (733022)
07-13-2014 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1099 by Faith
07-13-2014 1:41 PM


Re: The Holocene is a time period!!!
If sedimentation is continuing on the bottom of the ocean it is NOT "continuing upward."
Okay, then, in what direction is it continuing?
Time can't stop continuing upward and onward of course but sedimentation obviously can and does.
Time continues upwards?
But if erosion continues, then sedimentatin must continue.

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edge
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Message 1107 of 1304 (733024)
07-13-2014 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1100 by Faith
07-13-2014 1:49 PM


Erosion doesn't do that.
If you say so, Faith.
Besides, it's all a lot of guessing you're doing. You've never seen it happen.
Let's see, when I create hypotheses based on experience and evidence, its guess work and that's bad. But when you make evidence-free assertions that reject all mainsream science, that's good.
I think I see where you are coming from.
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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edge
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Message 1108 of 1304 (733025)
07-13-2014 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1104 by PaulK
07-13-2014 2:13 PM


I'm pretty sure that you're badly misunderstanding everything. Especially as the last sentence would be better written as "...sedimentation is still continuing in basins, river deltas and the sea, just as it did in the distant past"
It appears that Faith has a lot invested in the geological death of the planet. I'm not sure why.

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edge
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Message 1109 of 1304 (733026)
07-13-2014 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1103 by ringo
07-13-2014 2:10 PM


Re: Geological Time Scale REQUIRES ascent to make sense
There are a lot more New Yorkers in New York than in Dallas. Does that mean you can ignore the New Yorkers that are in Dallas?
The fact is that there are burrows and trackways buried in the column. If the whole column was created by the Flood, how did those burrows and trackways get down there?
Ths is one of the better evidences against the biblical flood and Faith, true to form, is simply evading the question.

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Coyote
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Message 1110 of 1304 (733027)
07-13-2014 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1098 by Faith
07-13-2014 1:37 PM


Re: The Holocene is a time period!!!
But we aren't in the Pleistocene and there won't be anything after the Holocene.
Absolute nonsense!
You're just making this all up. You have offered no evidence that geology has suddenly run into some big Stop Sign somewhere.
You want another stratum on top of existing ones? One big volcano can do that overnight.
Whether you say yea or nay.

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