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Coyote Member (Idle past 2366 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But that is not at all clear just from the picture when the flat layers were laid down. There's something odd about that picture. Where is it and what is it?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Do blieve that's a COAL SEAM , not igneous rock.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Do blieve that's a COAL SEAM , not igneous rock. This question is a bit off the direct topic, but surely you are not limiting the geological column to igneous rock? Sedimentary rock includes rock made up of chemical substances (salts and other minerals), organic substances, and of course broken up bits of other rocks. I don't see any reason why combinations of sedimentary, igneous, and metamorphic rocks might not be present. But back to the topic. You believe you have a definition of the geological column that is at variance with the definition everyone else claims is correct. But you have yet to do the obvious thing in defense of your position, which would be to site a source using your definition. Why is that? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
No, that is not the Geologic Column. Sheesh. I didn't say it was. I said it was a geological column, which it is. There isn't really an actual real thing that is the geological column, because its going to be different at different places. What people refer to as the Geological Column is just an abstraction that represents all of the layers underground. And it can certainly contain volcanic layers, and layers that aren't completely flat.
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but surely you are not limiting the geological column to igneous rock? Shit, an hour or so ago she said that the geological column is only made up of sedimentary rock, and that igneous rocks from volcanoes don't get deposited in the column. It really is just a big old confused mess, full of nonsense and falsehoods.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
It really is just a big old confused mess, full of nonsense and falsehoods. I'm trying to avoid the kind of editorializing that seems to be drawing off topic banners lately. But would it be too patronizing if I noted for Faith's benefit that coal is sedimentary rock? Okay. I'm butting out of the geology thread again. Describing the rock cycle in the terms used in 8th grade science texts is the extent of my knowledge. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
WHAT? "...limiting the geological column to igneous rock." WHAT?
Did you mean "sedimentary rock?" That would be closer. But I never said there is no igneous rock in the Geo Column, just that it doesn't form layers like the sedimentary rock. It forms sills, it forms dikes etc.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
yes COAL is a sedimentary rock. I don't know how this conversation is getting so confused but that was the point. Igneous rock IS NOT sedimentary rock, what Coyote posted WAS sedimentary rock though he thought it was igneous rock. No, it was a coal seam, which IS sedimentary rock. Yikes this IS a mess but it is certainly not my fault that it is. You just didn't read carefully enough or get the whole context.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You just didn't read carefully enough or get the whole context. I see your point. Using coal as an example of igneous rock would be an improper example. Which leaves the question of where you get the idea that magma cannot form layers. Would the following be an example of a layer formed by igneous rock that would meet your standards? Layered intrusion - Wikipedia
quote: How about this http://www.nature.nps.gov/.../Sites/DETO/HTML/ET_Igneous.htm
quote: Is the ocean floor a layer that you would acknowledge as part of the geological column? It is true that the layers of the geological column are generally sedimentary layers. At least as best as I know. But the base layer is granite, which is not sedimentary. And of course, all rocks, except maybe granite, become sedimentary via erosion. dating | Definition, Geology, Methods, & Facts | Britannica.
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sedimentary rock includes rock made up of chemical substances (salts and other minerals), organic substances, and of course broken up bits of other rocks. I don't see any reason why combinations of sedimentary, igneous, and metamorphic rocks might not be present. Sure, and a bowl of tomato soup might have a fly in it but it's still a bowl of tomato soup.
But back to the topic. You believe you have a definition of the geological column that is at variance with the definition everyone else claims is correct. But you have yet to do the obvious thing in defense of your position, which would be to site a source using your definition. Why is that? Not sure, good question. Maybe I just can't believe it's not obvious. But I'll see what I can find to cite for support. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2366 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Lava and Rock layers on a road, Ascension Island, Atlantic | Flickr
What you believe is wrong, as usual.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
But I never said there is no igneous rock in the Geo Column, just that it doesn't form layers like the sedimentary rock. But it can, and it does. If lava flows over rocks on the surface and then later more sediment is deposited upon the cool and hardened lava flow, then that lava flow will form a layer in the geological column there.
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But would it be too patronizing if I noted for Faith's benefit that coal is sedimentary rock? Sure, but that's not a coal seam... its lava flow.
Describing the rock cycle in the terms used in 8th grade science texts is the extent of my knowledge. Especially when they're responding to the 8th grade science as if they were a 5 year old.
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Meddle Member (Idle past 1530 days) Posts: 179 From: Scotland Joined: |
It doesn't form strata IN THE GEOLOGIC COLUMN which is made up of sedimentary rock. The traps referred to in this image are layers of basalt originating from a series of volcanic eruptions which gave rise to the Deccan Traps in India which cover an area of 500,000 km2 and are 2000m deep. In between the two layers of igneous basalt in the picture is a 9m deep sedimentary layer of shallow marine origin. Edited by Malcolm, : Trying for a sensible size
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