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mram10 Member (Idle past 1546 days) Posts: 84 Joined: |
I was not aware the smithsonian mag was religious. Noted http://www.smithsonianmag.com/.../dinosaur-shocker-115306469 Do you have any "real" sources that are totally unbiased?
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RAZD Member Posts: 19732 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Almost 2 years, in fact (Joined: 08-07-2012 But it doesn't appear you learned much in that time ... Can you define evolution? can you describe what the theory of evolution is? can you describe what the difference between abiogenesis and evolution is? can you describe what the difference between 'macro' and 'micro' evolution is? I doubt it ... but you could prove me wrong ... Enjoy
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ringo Member Posts: 16128 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
quote: That article is from May 2006.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 44 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
You are teh general public, so they are written for you to understand
...which obviously did not work. What makes you think more detailed evidence is going to be easier for you to grasp than what is presented to the "general public" when you haven't read the most recent findings?
True, but you didn't even google ONE article, apparently. Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16083 Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Now that link describes the demineralization process, and also describes how creationists lie about Schweitzer's work. So how carefully were you reading it?
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16083 Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Yes, other people can use google for you. From the abstract of Schweitzer's paper: Soft tissues are preserved within hindlimb elements of Tyrannosaurus rex (Museum of the Rockies specimen 1125). Removal of the mineral phase reveals transparent, flexible, hollow blood vessels containing small round microstructures that can be expressed from the vessels into solution. Some regions of the demineralized bone matrix are highly fibrous, and the matrix possesses elasticity and resilience.
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mram10 Member (Idle past 1546 days) Posts: 84 Joined: |
Wow! This is the first time you replied to me without name calling or rude comments Edited by mram10, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16083 Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
This is, of course, not true.
You're welcome.
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Pressie Member Posts: 1998 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
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mram10 Member (Idle past 1546 days) Posts: 84 Joined: |
![]() You offend many second hand car salesmen out there ![]() It's easy to jump on the secular science bandwagon. It is much harder to be a real scientist and question everything. Einstein's theories were a little revolutionary too. (here comes the, "are you comparing yourself to Einstein?")
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JonF Member Posts: 4467 Joined: Member Rating: 3.6 |
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ringo Member Posts: 16128 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
You keep talking about "real science" as if it was somehow different from "secular science". Maybe you could tell us what you think "real science" is, and why you think secular scientists aren't doing it.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Yes, Einstein did produce non-controversial results. But he did it by expanding on his hypothesis in ways that are the essence of the scientific method, and not by babbling. And yes, the "are you Einstein" question seems appropriate here, because it is a well accepted indicator of crank behavior. But feel free to substitute Galileo if you want. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Percy Member Posts: 18249 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.0
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The preservation was indeed unexpected, but in the sense of requiring a rare sequence of events in unlikely conditions, not in the sense of breaking any laws of science. If you read through this thread you'll get a pretty good sense of how it happened. --Percy
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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This is response to ChristianGuy15's Message 39 in the Earth science curriculum tailored to fit wavering fundamentalists thread.
Hey there ChristianGuy. You addressed this question to me over in my thread on earth science curriculum and I would like to respond here where I can do it and respect the productive forum rules that say we keep threads on topic. First, I'd like to make it clear that I am just a guy studying what is written. I'm not a paleontologist, I haven't seen the bones and if I did see the bones I wouldn't have a clue how to investigate them. One of the first techniques I use to determine credibility when reading, studying and investigating is to ask for sources of claims and then see if they can be produced. I want to know if what they say is true. I'm going to try that here: You've made two hard assertions in your question to me. 1: That "atheistic scientists are unhappily admitting" the substance of this find. Let's take a look at your assertion #1: I've read as many papers and articles (I didn't say news reports) as I can find that quote other scientists regarding Schweitzer's discovery. I simply can't find a quote from ANYONE that sounds like they are "unhappily admitting" anything. A tenet of science is skepticism and thus good scientists are skeptical. What I find are quotes from the scientific body who were initially very skeptical and now less so as time and research has moved almost a decade forward. What I also find is guarded enthusiasm over the fact that what is being learned might allow more discoveries from old bones than ever thought possible. In essence I find cautious enthusiasm rather than unhappiness. Following are some links I refer to above: I'd like to add (in the unfortunate case you don't read the papers I linked) that Mary Schweitzer, the researcher who discovered this is a born again Christian who is deeply troubled by the way some creationist web sites and personalities have misled people regarding her work. Following is a quote from her (see links for context). quote: Now to assertion #2: Please quote the "law of science" that precludes the finding of these compounds in old earth bones (helpful hint: there isn't one, but don't take my word for it please). What I'm inviting you to do ChristianGuy15 is to think about the things you read rather than just accept them. Cross check them. Dig to find out if the claims they make are consistent with the truth. If you don't find that the bulk of scientists are unhappy about the find, why would you trust someone who tells you otherwise? If there turns out to be no known law of science that precludes such a find, why would you trust a source that tells you there is? It is this skill of skepticism and cross checking that I hope to instill in people I know who believe in a YE. Accurate conclusions will automatically follow. Food for thought. JB Edited by ThinAirDesigns, : No reason given. Edited by ThinAirDesigns, : No reason given.
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