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New Cat's Eye
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Message 70 of 740 (733861)
07-22-2014 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
07-22-2014 10:56 AM


There is no one thing that is THE Geological Column. That's an abstraction used for teaching.

In reality, different places on the surface are going to have different geological columns below them.


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Message 79 of 740 (733883)
07-22-2014 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Faith
07-22-2014 2:24 PM


Heaven forbid you learn something that you cannot squeeze into your pre-conceived ideas.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner.


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Message 113 of 740 (733968)
07-23-2014 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Faith
07-22-2014 8:25 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
I know it's an abstraction and as long as you keep repeating that as if I hadn't said it myself many times

In which messages did you acknowledge that it was an abstraction?


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Message 118 of 740 (734001)
07-24-2014 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by edge
07-23-2014 4:29 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
In which messages did you acknowledge that it was an abstraction?

This was my question also. The only way I could make sense of it was that she has actually been setting up the 'geological column' as a strawman to be refuted at some point because it is so inconsistent. But that's still a reach.

That is kinda the route she was going in the other thread. Take a look at the exchange starting at Message 1229:

quote:
Percy writes:

No one will agree with you because you just like your own definitions better than the ones everyone else is using and agrees upon. I'm sure everyone would be glad to switch to your definitions if they made any sense, but they don't.
Wherever you might stand upon the surface of this Earth, you are standing atop a geological column. No location is an exception, and the specifics of the strata underlying any location matter not. Sediment can add to any local geologic column anywhere, regardless whether that column includes deformed or eroded stata.

Then the whole idea of the Geologic Time Scale, which was built on the idea of a vertical stack of horizontal layers that are found here and there in various proportions, is false. If you don't have an ascending vertical structure, a column, you do not have a time scale represented by the rocks, which could only be physically represented by such an ascending vertical structure.

I think you are all mad as hatters.

CS writes:

Faith writes:

which was built on the idea of a vertical stack of horizontal layers that are found here and there in various proportions


No, not just here and there. Its everywhere. Every single point on the surface of the Earth has layers below it. Those layers below it are called the "geological column" for that particular section of the surface.

Each section will have its own column. Some sections are bigger than others.

I'll have to look it up but the layers aren't everywhere on the earth.

Yes, they are. Everywhere.

There is no place on the surface of the Earth that does not have underlying layers. That's impossible. What would the surface be sitting on?

A Column is a VERTICAL Structure

The Geological Column isn't like a real actual "thing". Its an abstract.

It is a cross-section of what layers are underneath the ground at some particular place. Different places are going to have different columns.

If you took a giant metal tube, forced it into the ground, and then pulled out a big stack of the layers underneath, then you would have a column of the underlying geology. You could then study each layer to determine the properties of the past. Here's an example:

http://pacificsoilandwater.com/...ages/PSW_085.357220402.jpg

That represents the geological column at that particular site. If you traveled a ways away and took another bore sample, you would get a different geological column.

Faith writes:

No, that is not the Geologic Column. Sheesh.


She started with saying that the time scale couldn't be there if you didn't have THE Geological Column.

I went on to try to explain that there's no such thing and I never got the sense that she understood that.


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Message 483 of 740 (734604)
07-31-2014 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 480 by Faith
07-31-2014 12:21 PM


Re: Bible
I do think it follows natural laws

According to the Bible, it was a miracle at the hand of God. I explained that with scripture in Message 264. If and when you want to get around to finishing that discussion...


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Message 718 of 740 (735161)
08-06-2014 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 714 by Faith
08-06-2014 9:57 AM


I must still have illusions of getting someone to see my point of view.

We've seen your view. We understand your view. There's just one problem:

Your view is undeniably wrong.


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