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Jaderis
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Message 58 of 740 (733827)
07-22-2014 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Faith
07-21-2014 1:14 AM


Re: observed net erosion ¨ deposition must occur somewhere
Faith writes:

I am only saying that they are separate identifiable sediments and they can be seen in some places to quite a depth too. I've always understood this column to be the basis for the Geologic Time Scale. What offense I am committing with this understanding I have no idea.

You are not committing any offense for your understanding of geology. Not many people ever take the time to understand the terminology you have learned. The offense you are committing is not accepting that people who know volumes more than you do are trying to teach you that your understanding is incorrect and acting like no one else but you, even active geologists, knows anything about the topic. Even if you think they are wrong, isn't it prudent to actually understand what they are saying before trying to prove them wrong?

I've seen so many posts showing you the difference between what you call "The Geologic Column" and the geologic columns that exist at every point around the world (for example, Message 15 from Percy) which you just choose to ignore, instead insisting that "The Geologic Column" must be what you say it is instead of what they actually are.

If you did not think before that there were different types of sediments in one layer, but now learn that there are, the proper response is to say "I did not realize that, let me see if that information confirms or denies my hypothesis," not, "of, course I was thinking that 'separate sediments' meant not at all homogenous and you guys are all crazy for thinking so even if I just said that a few comments ago and it still fits into the flood scenario because it just has to!"


"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London

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Jaderis
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Posts: 622
From: NY,NY
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Message 61 of 740 (733830)
07-22-2014 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Faith
07-22-2014 4:16 AM


Re: observed net erosion ¨ deposition must occur somewhere
*whoooooosh*

I didn't inform you of the "correct opinion." I just pointed out that you will not or can not appreciate that many more people know way more than you, or I, do and that, until you do, these are arguments in the wind.


"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London

"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea


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Jaderis
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From: NY,NY
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Message 63 of 740 (733833)
07-22-2014 6:18 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Faith
07-22-2014 5:07 AM


Re: observed net erosion ¨ deposition must occur somewhere
Random Capitalization of Words does not make your Response any less Evasive.

try Again.

Correct "opinions" have no place here. Interpretations which explain all of the evidence, not just your layman's understanding of a few "complete" columns, have a better place here. Your place is to explain all of it. Not just the GC/GS portion. Not just one other place that some guy you read on the internet said was weird.

All of it.

That is where understanding other people who study this for a living comes in. Even if their ideas about age are wrong, to you, they should know whether or not a "strata" is composed of a specific type of mineral or not. You do not. You have not studied any of it. You have examined diagrams and digested definitions, but not understood most of it, pretending you have, because superficially you can make an argument and most people here will engage you, but if someone calls you on specifics, all I hear are crickets or variations of "this is what I have understood and that is sacrosanct..no new knowledge can change the fact that what I built my opinion on was an ultimate truth."


"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London

"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea


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