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NoNukes
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Message 7 of 740 (733668)
07-19-2014 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Faith
07-19-2014 11:16 PM


You seem to want to divorce the Geo Column from the Geo Time Scale but the funny thing is when you google the column it comes up either in connection with the time scale or in some cases as identical with it

This is not worth the trouble as long as things are kept straight. We need some way to talk about all of the layers.

Igneous intrusions are of course more recent because they ARE intrusions and therefore out of order on the time scale.

Intrusions are out of order, yes. But let's not forget that we've pointed out igneous layers that are not intrusions. An example would be that lava layer on Ascension Island. I and others pointed out other igneous layers that exist.

f you are claiming that it is continuing to build wherever sediment deposits, it just seems logical that you could show that what it is building ON is recognizably earlier strata recognizably identifiable as time periods.

I hope you'll add detail to this, because it does not seem to make any sense. If sediment is depositing today on top of a sediment and any other layers that were there yesterday, that would seem to meet the requirement. We don't need to date them to know that.


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If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 9 of 740 (733671)
07-20-2014 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Faith
07-20-2014 12:25 AM


It seems to have been completely ignored that my original point was that lava is not part of the Geologic Column.

That is a valid point. But it was not ignored. As I recall, you expressed the opinion that lava could not even form layers. That's the reason you received responses showing pictures of lava layers.

In any event, the issue with lava being or not being relevant was discussed in Percy's Op and he indicated that he has reason to discuss all of the rocks under our feet. Lava layers may be relevant to the discussion without being a sedimentary layer.

Yes, any deposition is going to be more recent than whatever it is deposited upon, but the point is that the Geologic Column IS associated with the Geologic Time Scale and the strata that are identified with that are quite identifiable as separate sediments

The Holocene layer is still under construction. What you are asking for is not necessarily going to exist in very many places on earth. Perhaps you should explain why that is problematic for you.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 54 of 740 (733820)
07-21-2014 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Aurelia
07-21-2014 5:20 PM


Re: thank yall very much
,we don't have a printer, that yall provided. we are camping out so he will be my eyes for me. he has his field notebook still out ready to take more notes to take from what you write. hes taking this seriously. i think yall are going to make a budding geologist out of him.

That's an awesome story. Nice work, bro, or sis!

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 73 of 740 (733865)
07-22-2014 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
07-22-2014 11:24 AM


Well, my interest has been in THE Geologic Column, so apparently there is no point in my remaining on this thread.

No there is not. Not when your point has been refuted using your own definition and you have no response. Bye-bye.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 77 of 740 (733880)
07-22-2014 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Faith
07-22-2014 11:36 AM


Are you still here participating in a thread of no interest to you?

This thread is about the geological layers that exist all around the world, and accordingly has very little to do with 'The Geological Column' as you define it.

Maybe we'll get around to discussing some imaginary stuff later. See ya.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 124 of 740 (734070)
07-25-2014 4:35 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by Faith
07-25-2014 4:12 AM


Re: a partial review
Faith writes:

That's good, that's an answer. But those places are awfully limited when you compare the great extent of some of the layers that extend across states and continents.

snipped

Game over.

Particularly when we note that the Geological column as you describe it is an abstraction of what actually exists.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 517 of 740 (734687)
08-01-2014 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 515 by edge
08-01-2014 10:29 AM


Re: whatever
Your statement is very much like saying we don't actually know how tracks were made in the mud.

A claim that Faith has actually made in this thread...

Faith writes:


The difference, an enormous one, is that the paleontologist has never seen the creature that made the footprint whereas the forensic criminologist has seen millions and has a huge database just in his own experience to work from in solving the crime.

Completely refusing to face the fact that it is the mere presence of the footprints in question that is problematic.

Faith stopped debating and started exclusively preaching and making excuses about two days ago. Will we ever get any of that evidence and explanation that was promised to come later?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 622 of 740 (734938)
08-03-2014 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 621 by Faith
08-03-2014 6:30 PM


Re: one word describes it
...my enemy.
...just one of the snarling wild dogs.

A short break might be in order.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 722 of 740 (735233)
08-07-2014 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 714 by Faith
08-06-2014 9:57 AM


May God help me to leave this place now.

I think you are addicted to the attention you get here. You could put this stuff on your blog and hope that four people will read it, or you can post nonsense here and get feedback from anywhere between 3 and 15 people all within an hour


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 724 of 740 (735261)
08-08-2014 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 723 by Percy
08-08-2014 8:56 AM


Re: Discussion Can Continue
Faith believes those who follow this process to conclusions inconsistent with her Biblical interpretations are wrong but can offer no scientific reasons why they are wrong.

I imagine that everyone is a hero on their own blog.

I can honestly say that I don't give a hoot what Faith posts on her blog. She is free to misrepresent, distort, and completely miss the point if that's what she wants to do there. I've been to her blog before, but the address is no longer in my browser history and I won't be expending even the minimal effort to find a link to her blog.

Faith is a zealot, and not a particularly capable one. And zealots are a dime a dozen on the internet.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 732 of 740 (735271)
08-08-2014 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 729 by edge
08-08-2014 8:26 PM


Re: Discussion Can Continue
I think what Percy is saying is that Faith has no intent to lie, so in that sense it is not a lie. I used to agree with this, but now, after many years in forums such as this, I'm not so certain.

I'm not so certain either. But on balance I do not believe that Faith intentionally lies. I believe she has actually managed to convince herself.

I was going back over posts of mine that Faith responded to, and I came across this gem (emphasis added by me):

The state of geology today is mostly a matter of radiometric dating. Otherwise it's still the same science of interpretation of past events that cannot be tested or proved. Hutton's interpretation of Siccar Point is that the bottom part had to have been made vertical before the upper part was laid down, but there is no way to test that and I hope to prove it eventually with a real test, which I hope is possible for the idea that the lower strata were buckled while the upper were in place.

How do you type inconsistent tripe like that without having deceived yourself?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 740 of 740 (788550)
08-02-2016 6:09 AM
Reply to: Message 739 by Faith
08-16-2014 9:14 PM


Re: Good for evil and evil for good, black for white and white for black, bitter fr swt..
oops

Edited by NoNukes, : old stuff needing no response


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson


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