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JonF
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Message 76 of 740 (733875)
07-22-2014 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
07-22-2014 11:24 AM


Well, my interest has been in THE Geologic Column

Yeah, nothing's interesting about the facts that a geologic column exists under every location on Earth, that in some places it's eroding, in some places it's growing, and in some places not much is happening.

No interest at all in the reality that falsifies your claims.

Edited by Admin, : There was what looked like a failed attempt to bold the "a" in "a geologic column", so I bolded that "a". And there were some typos in the last sentence, so as long as I was editing the post I fixed them, hope that's okay.


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NoNukes
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Message 77 of 740 (733880)
07-22-2014 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Faith
07-22-2014 11:36 AM


Are you still here participating in a thread of no interest to you?

This thread is about the geological layers that exist all around the world, and accordingly has very little to do with 'The Geological Column' as you define it.

Maybe we'll get around to discussing some imaginary stuff later. See ya.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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Message 78 of 740 (733882)
07-22-2014 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Percy
07-22-2014 12:37 PM


Sorry to have misunderstood the purpose of the thread.

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Message 79 of 740 (733883)
07-22-2014 2:45 PM
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07-22-2014 2:24 PM


Heaven forbid you learn something that you cannot squeeze into your pre-conceived ideas.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner.


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Message 80 of 740 (733892)
07-22-2014 5:19 PM


The accusations and opinions about my motives and so on are of course very interesting, but the fact of the matter is that Moose was right, the overload got to me. It's hard to read through long dense posts by a dozen different people, with rude nasty remarks as well, and as he said there appears to have been a lot of conflicting information among you all. Which I hope will be pointed out eventually. I'm not up to sorting all that out, sorry. Even one long dense post can be a struggle to get through but you all think nothing of expecting me to read them all and read them all carefully and then heaping abuse on me for not doing that. Meanwhile I haven't seen anything that actually addresses my simple point, as usual.

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Message 81 of 740 (733894)
07-22-2014 5:47 PM
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07-22-2014 5:19 PM


The accusations and opinions about my motives and so on are of course very interesting, but the fact of the matter is that Moose was right, the overload got to me. It's hard to read through long dense posts by a dozen different people, with rude nasty remarks as well, and as he said there appears to have been a lot of conflicting information among you all.

I would be interested in seeing what those conflicts are, particularly in light of how they show you to be correct about the 'geological column'. I would be surprised if a group of scientists actually agreed on every detail. I've always considered that to be on of the strengths of science.

I'm not up to sorting all that out, sorry. Even one long dense post can be a struggle to get through but you all think nothing of expecting me to read them all and read them all carefully and then heaping abuse on me for not doing that.

Actually, I'm an never under the illusion that you will read anything. I've been at this game too long to have such expectations of YECs.

Meanwhile I haven't seen anything that actually addresses my simple point, as usual.

I think then, that you missed a few posts. There have been several examples of 'geological columns' continuing upward during recent times, including the Holocene. We have also provided other locations where the 'geological column' was interrupted by erosion and then continued. We have also shown that the record shows erosion at one place while deposition was occurring at others. Apparently, you missed those posts.

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Message 82 of 740 (733899)
07-22-2014 6:48 PM


Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
Really, all one needs to do is google "Mt. Pinatubo lahars" for great examples of modern deposition adding layers to the geologic column. For example, this house:

This telephone pole:

How can anyone say that the geologic column is not being added to today?


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Message 83 of 740 (733900)
07-22-2014 7:33 PM
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07-22-2014 5:47 PM


I would be interested in seeing what those conflicts are, particularly in light of how they show you to be correct about the 'geological column'. I would be surprised if a group of scientists actually agreed on every detail. I've always considered that to be on of the strengths of science.

Of course Moose wouldn't say it makes me correct about the Geo Column, he just has a better sense of fairness than the rest of you in spite of his expectable bias.

As for the Recitation of the Creed about how disagreements are to be expected in science, why not wait and find out if these are that kind of conflict before you do the salute?

I'm glad you realize I don't always read your stuff but you really ought to understand why, which obviously you don't. You have no interest in communication, you are out to bury the opponent under a mountain of jargon and obscure geological concepts. Often you misunderstand and misrepresent but you've presented such a wall of impenetrable verbiage I for one don't have the patience to sort through it, so you get away with it. You don't care how you "win" as long as you win. That's pretty low debate form if you ask me. If this forum were designed to my liking, you would be excluded from any thread I'm on, along with half a dozen others here. Or perhaps you'd be permitted one post.

I think then, that you missed a few posts. There have been several examples of 'geological columns' continuing upward during recent times, including the Holocene. We have also provided other locations where the 'geological column' was interrupted by erosion and then continued. We have also shown that the record shows erosion at one place while deposition was occurring at others. Apparently, you missed those posts.

I may indeed have missed them, or I found them too unclear to follow or something of the sort, which amounts to missing them anyway. For right now you can all be assured I am NOT dealing with any of it. Eventually I might come back and answer some of them nevertheless. It's pretty clear from just what you say here that none of it has anything to do with THE Geologic Ciolumn, which as I've said many times is what I am talking about.


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Message 84 of 740 (733901)
07-22-2014 7:54 PM
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07-22-2014 6:48 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
The way to prove if today's deposition is in fact building on THE Geologic Column would be to show what lies BENEATH the new deposition. But I gather nobody cares to deal with that concept, you'd rather make up your own idea of geologic columns and claim to defeat it with a bunch of irrelevancies.

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Message 85 of 740 (733902)
07-22-2014 8:12 PM
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07-22-2014 7:54 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
...you'd rather make up your own idea of geologic columns and claim to defeat it with a bunch of irrelevancies.

You're channeling yourself!

Why is it that you can't accept some very basic scientific facts when they are shown to you? Its not as if this stuff is difficult.


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Message 86 of 740 (733903)
07-22-2014 8:20 PM
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07-22-2014 7:54 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
Hi Faith,

"The Geologic Column" is an abstraction.

The information, arguments and evidence for sediments adding to geologic columns around the globe that accord with your views of what constitutes a geologic column can be found in Message 15 and Message 45.

--Percy


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Message 87 of 740 (733904)
07-22-2014 8:25 PM
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07-22-2014 8:20 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
I know it's an abstraction and as long as you keep repeating that as if I hadn't said it myself many times I am not going to read the links you've posted. Fair is fair.

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Message 88 of 740 (733905)
07-22-2014 8:28 PM
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07-22-2014 8:12 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
I've accepted a TON of scientific facts that have been presented to me over the course of my participation here. You don't like the result when I do that though, because they feed my own theories rather than yours. As far as the stuff on this thread goes I really have little doubt that it would support my views too, but it's such a barrage of confused opaque stuff I am not up to sorting it out. Yet. Perhaps I will be eventually.

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Message 89 of 740 (733907)
07-22-2014 8:33 PM
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07-22-2014 7:54 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
Good grief, Faith!! Do you really think that oil companies don't take a very close look at the rock they drill through after that first few feet of dirt? There are hundreds of wells in/around the deltas of the Mississippi and Mahakam Rivers, where sediment is being deposited all the time. There are region-wide maps of all the local stratigraphic columns down to four or five miles deep in places like that! Every sand, every shale, every different foraminifer and coccolithophore is recorded so that Exxon-Mobil and the boys can find fuel for you!

Geologists make their living dealing with that concept. You are the one failing to do so.


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Message 90 of 740 (733909)
07-22-2014 8:38 PM
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07-22-2014 8:33 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
How very odd! You excoriate me for failing to appreciate that people who are not posting on this forum know what is in the dirt beneath recent deposits, and somehow you assume it would answer my request that this be known without giving the slightest information about what exactly is supposedly known. Is it the Geo Column or not?

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