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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Peaceful protests get you no where, if you have no means to defend yourself.
... as General Gandhi said when he urged his troops to press home the final assault in the Battle of Delhi. Gandhi's method can only work against a Christian nation. He wouldn't last an hour against the Islamic State or any totalitarian regime.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Well, the search plan was his.
Mram10 managed to get you to do his homework.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
They used to hang people for stealing sheep, but sheep were still stolen, probably less than otherwise I suppose. Pretty much all the evidence though is that increasing the severity of of a sentence doesn't deter, it just clogs up the prisons and makes 'bad people worse'.
Not that politicians care about doing the right thing, they'd rather pretend they're tough.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Gandhi's method can only work against a Christian nation. Gasp!! Are you suggesting that Great Britain under the Church of England was a Christian Nation??? They were practically Catholics! Good to see you back, Faith!
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3983 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Faith writes: Gandhi's method can only work against a Christian nation. Hundreds of millions can thank their lucky stars that they were colonized, exploited, enslaved and slaughtered by Christian nations, who would later feel bad about it, and let them go. It's another clear case of Christian moral superiority."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
On balance it was a good thing for them, brought them into the modern world, and that was thanks to the Christian nature of their conquerors. I'm with Dinesh D'Souza, originally from India, who has argued that it was a good thing, and that the motives of the British Empire were infused with Christianity despite the expectable lapses into human fallenness. We're now being sold the politically correct line that comes out of Marxism, that despises everything western and particularly Christianity and makes up evils against it, and of course you've bought it.
But now we're way off topic. Can you find any reason except the basic Christianity of the British for the success of Gandhi's peaceful protest? Do you suppose that unarmed resistance would stand a chance against Islam or Communism? abe: You could make the case of Tienanmen Square, but that could be chalked up to the fact that the world was watching, and the oppression has continued since then. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
For God's sake Faith - empire was nothing about Christianity it was entirely about power, wealth and acquisition like every other empire there's ever been..
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3983 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
I didn't buy anyone's line, including yours and D'Souza's and other right wing apologists' for slavery and colonization.
The great colonial liberations of the 20th century occurred during a period of rapid secularization. Even so, a Great Britain exhausted by WWII acceded to India's independence largely because they were in no condition to fight another distant war: Gandhi's nonviolent resistance was not the only force in India. God and King would never have let them go."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Gandhi's method can only work against a Christian nation. He wouldn't last an hour against the Islamic State or any totalitarian regime. Yeah, it's a good thing that people rising up against the atheist Communist regimes of Eastern Europe in the late 80s had all those guns, they'd have been crushed if they'd used peaceful methods. Of course you'll hear people talking about the "Velvet Revolution" and suchlike nonsense, but the fact is that Alexander Dubček had Gustv Husk executed by firing squad after the Siege of Prague.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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But now we're way off topic. Can you find any reason except the basic Christianity of the British for the success of Gandhi's peaceful protest? Do you suppose that unarmed resistance would stand a chance against Islam or Communism? Well, the revolutions in Bahrain, Tunisia, and Yemen were largely peaceful and successful. While there was some fighting, it's pretty difficult to point to that as the reasons for success. The breakup of the Soviet Union had nothing to do with armed uprising. Here in the US, we can find examples of relatively peaceful and successful campaigns for civil rights, but the success is largely attributed to the US being embarassed internationally for not dealing with an issue on which most of the Western World was markedly ahead of the US. And frankly, unless the whip was on your back, or it was your children being taken away, it isn't your call whether enslavement and colonization left people better off. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Nothing is "a good thing"; everything has good aspects and bad aspects. Certainly, there were some good aspects to the British rule of India - they made the trains run on time, for example - but there were also some bad aspects. I'm with Dinesh D'Souza, originally from India, who has argued that it was a good thing.... The problem with colonialism and with oppression in general is that the oppressors have a different idea of "a good thing" than the oppressed.
Faith writes:
It certainly wasn't what you call "Christianity". The British had an internalized sense of right and wrong and Gandhi's peaceful approach appealed to that sense. An armed approach would have appealed to their sense of "putting the niggers in their place".
Can you find any reason except the basic Christianity of the British for the success of Gandhi's peaceful protest?
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Ringo writes: Hmm, Tea, Tonic & gin, IPA and on time trains. Certainly, there were some good aspects to the British rule of India -As opposed to abject subjugation of the country. Reminds me of that Monty python line
quote: "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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mram10 Member (Idle past 3523 days) Posts: 84 Joined: |
I was hoping to find wisdom here, but sadly, FAITH is the only one with any.
For those that want to protect (or are) pedophiles:Harvard Health If we put those first time offenders to death, there would be far less children raped. If you want to protect those, I cannot help you further. As for murderers, let's look at the bjs.gov website:Recidivism and Reentry | Bureau of Justice Statistics It was slightly higher than your 3%. It was almost 50%. Maybe the BJS don't keep track very well Please explain how harsher penalties that rid us of recidivism, make criminals commit more crimes ...... logically please On a serious note, have you guys been watching the news about the Christians beheading and crucifying those poor muslims!!! Sick ! Wait a minute ... I might have that wrong ....
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
As usual, your failure to use the reply button makes it hard to tell who you think you're replying to. Judging by the content of your post, you're not actually replying to anyone participating on this thread; but on the other hand the fact that you're posting on this thread suggests that you're under the delusion that you are.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
For those that want to protect (or are) pedophiles:
You are a vile little troll aren't you. That comment should get you a healthy suspension.Your strawmen are getting more and more offensive. As for murderers, let's look at the bjs.gov website:
Could you point out where your link says this? Because it doesn't. Maybe they track well, you just do not understand them or know how to read the statistics.
Recidivism and Reentry | Bureau of Justice Statistics It was slightly higher than your 3%. It was almost 50%. Maybe the BJS don't keep track very well Please explain how harsher penalties that rid us of recidivism, make criminals commit more crimes ...... logically please
It has been done already. Is it that you can not read or you can not comprehend? And you finish with off-topic crap that has nothing to do with the thread. Why am I not surprised?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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