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Author Topic:   Why Did Homo Erectus Not Retain a Tail?
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Message 39 of 68 (737982)
10-03-2014 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by djufo
10-02-2014 8:26 PM


humans are apes
welcome to the fray, djufo,

Simple: Homos never naturally evolved from any monkey. Otherwise, prove it.

All Homosapiens (Homos) are hominids, and we share a common hominid ancestor with other hominids, like our cousins the Neanderthals.

All hominids are apes, and we share a common ape ancestor with other apes, particularly chimpanzees, our closest ape cousins.

All apes share a common primate ancestor with monkeys, but apes evolved to be tail-less before hominids evolved, and thus hominids did not have a (prehensile) tail to lose, just the remnant coccyx.

You are correct that humans did not evolve from monkeys, but wrong that humans did not evolve from primates.

The evidence is readily available in documents on the internet if you are truly interested in finding out the evolutionary history of humans, based on evidence rather than opinion or belief.

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Message 49 of 68 (738082)
10-04-2014 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by djufo
10-04-2014 3:44 PM


I see a lot of emotions going on. Usually emotions are used and manipulated by ...

... shysters trying to delude the gullible. Are you one, or are you one of the deluded?

de•lu•sion -noun (American Heritage Dictionary 2009)

  1. a. The act or process of deluding.
    b. The state of being deluded.
  2. A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.
  3. Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.

The state of being deluded can be cured by learning the correct information (or at least by unlearning the incorrect information, which you exhibit in spades).

You post a lot about people being brainwashed and then you post things like this (Message 44 on Why Did Homo Erectus Not Retain a Tail?):

Before I waste my time replying are you serious about those pictures of monkeys??? please tell me if that is displayed as a fact somewhere because that joke has to make news. Oh wait. I forgot the news are owned by corporations that finance technological and scientific institutes so i better don't say anything. But please tell me if your serious about those pictures.

Now I've mentioned how cognitive dissonance deals with conflicting information by calling people brainwashed or part of a conspiracy ... and here you are adding conspiracy to the mix.

... The only muppets here are those trying to put together a monkey skeleton with shoulders and arms out of place to make it look somewhat similar to a human skeleton next to it. ...

These are emotional responses on your part to not being able to deal with the real world and, in this case, the actual evidence for evolution.

... The missing link is just hilarious. Tell me where he lives and where does he works ...

Again you display a rather dismally under-informed concept of how evolution works that is just laughable. Again if this is what somebody taught you then they lied. AND again you can find remedial education at:

Berkeley Evolution 101: An Introduction to Evolution

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Message 50 of 68 (738085)
10-04-2014 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by djufo
10-04-2014 4:11 PM


... A change so big, so radical, as we have between the two cretures would take millions of years. ...

Between 8 and 10 million years according to the evidence.

Exactly and evidence is what science does not have to support that ridiculous theory. ...

Fossil and genetic. Why do these completely different avenues of evidence provide the same answer?

... We don't even have the same chromosomes. We have 46, they have 48. Where is the transition ...

This has been answered, you mocked it (an emotional response) rather than provided information that the answer was invalid (which would be a scientific response).

We can also compare DNA with Neanderthals and with gorillas and see similar differences in different degrees ... as would be expected from evolution.

Our last common ancestor, DOES show an evolutionary line with its previous ancestors. But between that one and us, is not an evolution.

Again, define evolution, the process and the theory.

Fossils are like snapshots of the past, and like snapshots of a trip across America they do not tell the complete story. Evolution does not occur in leaps and bounds but slowly generation by generation, just as step by step you can walk across the US. The pictures are not the story, they are evidence that the evolutionary events occurred.

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Message 57 of 68 (738188)
10-05-2014 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by djufo
10-04-2014 11:03 PM


You've been wrong before, this takes the cake
Why you tilt his head forward? let it rest on its original position and overlap a modern homo sapiens. Then try to explain how in the world you come from that monkey to a modern human in one generation.

As has been pointed out this demonstrates your absolute ignorance of how evolution works. I've asked you to define the process of evolution and the theory of evolution, and you have evaded that and ignored it ... because you do not know what evolution is.

I've given you links to information so that you can correct your ignorance, which apparently, you have ignored as well.

You think millions of years of evolution occurred in one generation.

LOL.

You don't know what evolution is, but you are convinced that it didn't happen.

ROFLOL.

You are so ignorant of evolution that you have no clue how ignorant you are on evolution.

I thought you would be funny.

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Message 58 of 68 (738189)
10-05-2014 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by djufo
10-04-2014 11:05 PM


LOL
I know you're just trying to justify your work with those long posts but in reality you are not proving absolutely anything. You are just running in circles with the same fictional ideas that have been running around for decades. ...

Thank you for demonstrating your absolute lack of any proper actual intellectual attempt to provide actual factual objective empirical evidence that would substantiate a single one of your claims.

You have already demonstrated your abysmal ignorance of how evolution actually works.

All you have left in your quiver is empty pot-shots.

... You are worried (emotion) about the sustainability of the theory which is more senseless by the day.

Curiously I am not worried in the slightest about the viability of an extremely well tested and validated theory ... certainly you have provided no challenge to it.

Theories are not invalidated by the wishful thinking of ignorant people, they are invalidated by evidence that they fail tests based on predictions that the theories make.

You should sue the people that misinformed you so completely that all you can do is make a bigger fool of yourself than you have already done.

The only emotion I feel is a faint sadness that a brain can be so wasted and misused, and willfully stay undereducated, choosing to maintain ignorance.

Science isn't challenged by opinion, it is challenged by evidence.

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Message 66 of 68 (738845)
10-16-2014 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Ed Conrad
10-15-2014 9:41 AM


rant is just an opinion ...
The question is not what you think is true vs what others think is true

The question is how you test the truth of concepts, what is the paradigm, the methodology, the means others could use to vet your opinions.

Without that, all you have is opinion, and opinion alone is curiously lacking in ability to alter or measure reality.

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