Medical Ethics

This is exactly my point. You've been inoculated to the thanking god trope for all and every good thing that happens (and ignoring the bad) and don't see it as unexpected or shocking.But it IS shocking how otherwise sane people exclaim like this in public - it is, as you say, pure superstition and it's rather embarrassing.

I think you have an agenda which requires you to find a Christian practicing his religion shocking. Maybe such a thing is far rarer in the UK than here, but surely you've seen it enough not to be surprised.People should not make economic decisions based on sunk costs, but they do that all the time. Nothing I'd be shocked or outraged about.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

It's not surprise, it's something akin to embarrassment and incredulity. it's not just a figure of speech, or a casual remark, the people saying it, mean it. They really think God saved them (even though god gave it to them in the first place). They really think prayer did it and that they are special. Hence Faith's outrage and your shrug of 'so what.' The superstition is normalised.

Oh, probably cowardly. Too easy to let loose with the "idiot" here, I'm trying to curb it. I can give you the usual Christian understanding of these things again, which you'll disparage again, which is that diseases of all kinds are the consequence of the Fall, i.e., human sin. We're all sinners, at odds with God by nature, nobody is immune, but those who have a repentant heart and trust in God do receive His favor. That's clear from the Bible. This medical missionary served God and was favored. But he did catch the deadly disease because of his sin nature. If more people served God as he does the less disease we would see in this world, or, the more He would favor us with cures for the diseases, through the scientific workers He has raised up for the purpose. This He has done for many diseases over the last century or so, which you refuse to thank Him for. In reality He is honoring those who know the true reason for western medicine and you are just an interference with the very scientific work you think you are supporting. Sorry if I misread you but it sure sounded like you thought one of those twenty doses was wasted on the missionary that should have been given to another sufferer. Again I apologize, but I have to apologize for failing to grasp this argument you claim you are making. Which is what exactly? That western medicine would do better if we didn't thank God for it? Well, I disagree with that too. We wouldn't HAVE western medicine at all if the west hadn't been built on acknowledgement of God.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Oh fer.... I'm trying to avoid such terms as "idiot" but this kind of bizarre stupid perverted misreading of anything I say is exactly why I'm staying away from this place. I could have gone on to mention that the treatment has also been given to two LIBERIAN health workers. When you have only a few doses doesn't it make sense to give them to the people who are HELPING the sick? Yikes THIS place is sick and makes me sick. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : add word that was left out

How do you get the idea that we must think we are special because we pray? Do you know what it costs us to make public statements of the sort you are embarrassed by and everybody here ridicules? How special do you suppose we could feel under this typical denigration of our beliefs? And what about prayer could make us special anyway? It's an attitude of self-submission to pray.

You aren't staying away from this place. It's quite obvious that you've been lurking and in the last couple of days you've resumed posting.You protest too much. You always claim to be misunderstood. I challenge you to take your statement and turn it into something at least innoculous. I also note that you deleted a bunch of rabid stuff from your post.Here is your statement. Tell us what you meant, idiot.

Yes, of course I'll disparage - but only because it's total hogwash. I was wrong, it's not hogwash, it's total and utter bollox.

I hope this is just a temporary lapse and I will be gone again soon. Like immediately. I explained it in the post you are answering and don't see how I could explain it more clearly. Those who should receive the extremely limited doses should be those who can help the others. And how this idea could possibly be "shameful" is utterly beyond me and I hope this is my last post here forever.

Not that anyone cares about the EvC rules any more, but perhaps you should be reminded that Rule 10 says: 10. The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect.

Let's count the ways . . . The very idea that you think a creator deity cares about you or what is happening in your life is quite the ego trip. We live on but one planet in a galaxy of billions of planets in a universe of billions of galaxies. You think all of that was made just for you, and that the deity who made it actually cares if you are having a bad day, or need a promotion at work, or need a new transmission for your car. Oh please. Are you really unaware of the pandering politicians do, making sure they are seen in churches praying. Are you really unaware of the christian majority in the US? You are like a white woman in the deep South during the 1940's complaining that the seats in the front of the bus were a little uncomfortable.

Yeh, but that's more than a little tricky when those beliefs are objectively total bollox.It seems that you think you can spout nonsense and still be respected for it - rules or no rules - no you can't. How much respect do you have for the sincerely held beliefs of those who behead people in the name of Islam?

I believe in a Deity who is minutely acquainted with everything that goes on in this universe, as well as everything in my mind and in yours. and cares about His entire Creation but especially human beings. He shepherds the movements of atoms as well as my personal affairs and yours. How does that make ME special?And of course I'm talking about genuine prayer, not hypocritical prayer.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Well, what I'm "spouting" is pretty much the standard traditional viewpoint of the Christian religion for some two thousand years, so the request that you respect it is nothing more or less than respecting the religion that created western civilization. But of course if you prefer barbarianism or paganism we're headed back that way so things should be quite to your liking before long.As for respecting Islam, no I don't. I didn't say I agree with the Rule. However, I do think what I said above should be taken seriously. Also I know that it won't.

I respect it as history, but I have as much respect for those who spout the nonsense of our superstitious ancestors as if it was present day fact as I would of someone claiming that ebola was a chastisement from god for sodomy. Which I'm sure one of your ilk will shortly claim it to be; if they haven't already. In the same way that you don't take Islamic views - or any other competing religion's views - seriously, I don't take yours seriously. You just believe in one more religion than I do and disbelieve in one less. What's the real difference?