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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Tangle writes: And youuuuuuuuu, you guys think your still in the bloody Y'all just think you're still in the Wild bleeding West.Victorian age sipping tea and eating biscuits while the zulus are impaling everyone around you. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Straggler Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
So as far as you are concerned "the establishment" is just "the government"?
What about other facetss such as the media, big business, law enforcement etc?
Taq writes: When your ideology is that government doesn't work, where is the incentive in making government work? Here is another section of the article linked to in the OP:
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
The trick is to keep them in balance.
Maybe we should be trying to keep them off balance.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
What about other facetss such as the media, big business, law enforcement etc?
I'd be inclined to consider those part of the establishment. Well, that should change to "big media" rather than "media". I guess evcforum counts as media of a sort, but does not count as part of the establishment.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
STRAG writes: What about other facets such as the media . . . You mean, like . . . the BBC? Yeah, right, they don't serve the wealth or political elites.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Ah - You are your little pet peeve......
The BBC is a funny one. It is part of the British establishment in many ways. But as a publicly funded service provider it is the focus of much hate from the Murdoch media empire, the British right wing press, the conservative party (and in recent time under Blair the Labour party too). So it is a somewhat subversive element......
Link But I know none of that will detract from your one man hate campaign... Just bear in mind that you and Murdoch are at one on this issue. Rarely a good place to be.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
STRAG writes: Ah - You aND your little pet peeve...... Ahh, just like old times. Yeah, you're right, it's a LITTLE pet peeve of mine to care that so many innocent lives are oppressed/crushed for the benefit of so few. I am certainly worthy of your disdain, good job Straggler. As a father, I hope you don't teach your child to be an apathetic ass. But that IS the unique quality that the establishment wants you to have. Yeaaah BBC! Mission accomplished!
STRAG writes: Just bear in mind that you and Murdoch are at one on this issue. Rarely a good place to be. Ahhh, the desperate conflation. Gee I miss Crashfrog's honest debate tactics too. Let me try one too: "Just bear in mind you and Mussolini both drank water."
STRAG writes: But as a publicly funded service provider . . . Yes, a publicly funded service provider that serves the establishment. That you seem to think it can't be both is a bewilderment. Why don't 100% of Brits demand that Tony Blair hangs? Show me repeated BBC articles calling for Tony Blair's hanging as a war criminal. That WOULD be a public service. He is guilty of the supreme international crime, war of aggression. There is no higher crime. Yet he walks freely amongst you Brits. What is the BBC waiting for? If the BBC was doing their job "providing for the public," for the masses over the few elites interests, why do the Brits support the USA's foreign policies like a cowardly little poodle? I'd be mortified. I leave it to you Straggler to show me why, if BBC is doing such a great job in educating the common Brit, "providing for the public," why isn't Britian a utopia? Why? I'll wait.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Dronester asks of many:
Why don't 100% of Brits demand that Tony Blair hangs? Show me repeated BBC articles calling for Tony Blair's hanging as a war criminal. That WOULD be a public service. He is guilty of the supreme international crime, war of aggression. There is no higher crime. Yet he walks freely amongst you Brits. What is the BBC waiting for? I would suggest that they might be waiting for the USA to imprison Dick Cheney, the vicious gang leader of these awful crimes, to be imprisoned for life first. Then GWBush, Rumsfeld and so on. Blair's was but a relatively minor role in the crime.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
dronester writes: Yes, a publicly funded service provider that serves the establishment. That you seem to think it can't be both is a bewilderment. Um, which establishment would that be? At every election the BBC is attacked by all political parties.
why isn't Britian a utopia? Isn't it? Bugger, je suis desoletLife, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
So as far as you are concerned "the establishment" is just "the government"? The government is the tip of the spear, so to speak. What corporations can or can't do is determined by government regulation. In return, politicians are given or denied campaign contributions. It is also the politicians that keep this relationship between regulatoin and campaign finances in place. The government holds the reins on this one, even if they are being told where to go. We can't expect companies to go out of their way to make less money. That isn't how they are set up. However, we should expect our elected representatives to do what is best for the people. I think that is where the divide really comes in. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Hi Xongs,
xongs writes: I would suggest that they might be waiting for the USA to imprison Dick Cheney, the vicious gang leader of these awful crimes, to be imprisoned for life first. Hah! It won't happen in america because we don't have the incredible humanitarian BBC to provide those wonderful public service announcements for the benefit of society. How great can the BBC be if british society is every bit sociopathic as american society? My god, how many times was arch-villain Thatcher elected? Face it, for all the "good" BBC does, the brits might as well have Faux News.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Tang writes: Um, which establishment would that be? Um, ask Tony Blair. You can be sure if I (not a member of the establishment) murdered a million people, I wouldn't be free to walk around your society.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Oddly, Tony Blair isn't returning my calls so it's down to you I'm afraid.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
drone writes: why isn't Britian a utopia? Tang writes: Isn't it? quote: Yep, I can easily see how you think you are living in a utopia all right. God bless the BBC, . . . boy you certainly don't see things like this happening in other places without such great BBC public servicing. And if history is any indication, . . . if anybody can investigate sexual abuse of children, the BBC surely can. Yeaaah BBC!!!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Yeh I know. last week I scratched my car on the gate post and the strap broke on my suitcase. Bloody useless BBC, can't do anything right......
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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