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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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RAZD -- good points.
But one thing that must also be considered is how intolerant many Muslims are of those who don't believe as they do. We have seen a number of examples in this country. Recently a Muslim group demanded a restaurant remove a picture of bacon from their sign. We have Muslim taxicab drivers who don't want to transport dogs or customers with alcohol. In England and Germany we have areas patrolled by the Sharia police. Dress or act the wrong way and you're liable to be beaten. It seems that once an area reaches a certain percentage of Muslims, they begin to try changing everything they can to reflect their way of doing things. Google around, you'll find examples.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Perhaps you should check out what is happening a bit more.
You seem to be dismissing an issue, as many people do, that is perhaps a bit more involved than you realize.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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It seems that once an area reaches a certain percentage of Muslims, they begin to try changing everything they can to reflect their way of doing things. Google around, you'll find examples. That's true of any religious group, including christians. Try living in communities that are dominated by Mormons. I find it hard to believe that you are comparing Muslims to Mormons. Maybe you better bring in all those Amish terrorists while you're at it. I don't know if you are excusing Muslims or condemning Mormons with your comment. But if you really think the two are equivalent, then there is no point in discussing this with you. Last I heard, Mormons don't send out patrols within their enclaves to enforce their desires with beatings, as is happening in many countries. I suspect that many Americans would not put up with it--and rightly so.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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http://www.americanthinker.com/...ious_moderate_muslim_.html
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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With a billion plus Muslims, even a small percentage of headchoppers and other extremists is a lot. Too many in fact.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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The best I can make out of it is that you are saying there are moderate Muslims. Is that what you are saying? When Muslims take over your town and tell you to convert, pay tribute, or die, get back to me. If you can.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
http://www.samharris.org/...m/sleepwalking-toward-armageddon
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Islam is far more in need of an Enlightenment than a Reformation.
But when the crazies kill anyone who isn't crazy enough, the moderates will tend to either keep very quiet or play along.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Sharia Law Swallowing Indonesia :: Gatestone Institute
Sharia Law Swallowing Indonesia Although Indonesia, "the world's largest Muslim country" with an 87% Muslim population, was once considered a moderate Muslim country, day by day it has been leaning more and more towards conservative Islam and Sharia laws. Initiated in 2009, bylaws in the light of Sharia rulings were implemented that conflict with the values of human rights, and are creating a difficult land for minorities to live in. It is clear--when Muslims approach a majority they start pushing. When they reach a supermajority all minority rights are in jeopardy.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
It is clear--when Muslims approach a majority they start pushing. When they reach a supermajority all minority rights are in jeopardy. Off topic and illogical. You're doing a stellar job Coyote. Indonesia has been Muslim majority for centuries so cannot possibly support the off-topic conclusion you are reaching for. Possibly off topic, but I doubt it. As for "illogical" -- no logic required: facts are facts.I could provide a lot more examples. Perhaps you should wake up and look around you. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Islamic State's taunting speech calls for killing civilians
The extremist group Islamic State will drive the United States to its "death, grave and destruction," a spokesman for the militants declared in a recording that also called on Muslims living in the West to kill civilians. The extremist group Islamic State will drive the United States to its "death, grave and destruction," a spokesman for the militants declared in a recording that also called on Muslims living in the West to kill civilians. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against. |
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
It’s Time to Take the Islamic State Seriously
It’s Time to Take the Islamic State SeriouslyReligious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Iraq crisis: 'Every single Christian wants to leave'
Iraq crisis: 'Every single Christian wants to leave' Christians in the Nineveh region of northern Iraq are unable to celebrate communion for the first time in two millennia, after Islamic State militants captured the area and took over the churches. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against. |
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Perhaps the problem is that there is insufficient condemnation of terrorism within the overall Muslim world.
When there is an act of terrorism what we see instead is cheering in the streets and the passing out of candies. Or perhaps it is that there are far too few moderates? In any event, the vast majority of terrorism worldwide can be attributed to Muslims and until that changes I'm not too impressed by a few ineffective condemnations from a few moderates. Let's see some results and maybe then I'll be impressed.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
But have there been any acts of Islamic terrorism that were a real threat to the US? I'd call the 9/11 attacks a real threat. The two WTCs, the Pentagon, and the White House. As well as one other which didn't get off the ground. Do you have some good reason why you'd want to minimize those attacks as not being a real threat? This I've got to hear!Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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