Multiculturalism

I heard there's even a bunch of collectivists that wants to ban gay marriage. You should explain to them what Western civilization's all about.

And who might they be?

You've not heard of them? They're an obscure little group, they call themselves ... what is it? Cretins, I think. Something like that. Someone told me they worship cheeses, which is more understandable than the gay marriage thing, I'm partial to a nice bit of cheese myself.. I doubt they'll have much impact on American politics, I was just mentioning it as an illustration of how deluded these collectivists can be.

The group you obviously have in mind are big on private property and capitalist economy. Odd you would make such a mistake. Fleas getting to you yet?

Dr. A didn't make any mistake. I know this group he talks about. The problem with the private property thing to this group of cretins is that they don't believe the "private" bit when referring to a couple's bedroom or to a woman's womb. Neither is sacred nor inviolable as is the gun rack.

You are compounding Dr. A's error. Not only does this group promote private property and capitalist economics, it also considers the womb the inviolable source of life, rather than death by murder that does no woman any good though it is called good these days. Marriage between a man and a woman, which was ordained by God at Creation, is also sacred and inviolable to this group, which is also twisted into something else these days. Both are sacred and supposed to be inviolable, which is why today's violations of both should break your heart instead of being cause for celebration.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

As I said, you believe the womb and the bedroom to be community property who's uses are determined and monitored by your group. Nothing private about them. What you consider violations subject to your public control are actually at the very essence of personal autonomy and the rights of individuals to control their own being. You deny such rights of private property to the individual. Only your (specific flavor of) god-approved uses of these properties can be allowed. Problem is most people do not believe in your (specific flavor of) god and deny your self-assumed "right" to control them.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

It shouldn't need belief in God to know that abortion is murder, and I'm sure you aren't in favor of murder, you just prefer to call it a woman's right to her body so you don't have to notice it's murder. However, it's murder we oppose, not personal rights, a mere matter of semantics? Since when is murder a "right?" Only since you all decided to call it that.Even old pagan Hippocrates refused to perform abortion and counseled other physicians against administering abortifacients, "do no harm" being his watchword. Pagan societies did, however, support abortion, but more often just putting live babies out to die of neglect, exposure, starvation etc. When Christianity came along, Christians went out and rescued them and took them into their homes to raise them, that's how orphanages were originally started. They also objected to abortion as murder. And those Christian attitudes became built into Christian law and civilization.Now you all want to turn back the clock to pagan times. They didn't even bother to call abortion a "right," you know, that very concept is due to our culture's Christian history. They just threw away babies because they were inconvenient. And that's still the real reason, the idea of a "right" is just self-justifying hypocrisy.So you've got your whitewashed murder and now you also have your travesty of a "gay" marriage, something not even pagan societies ever justified. But more than that it must warm your heart to know that that particular law criminalizes Christians who will refuse to honor it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You continue to spout those falsehoods but no matter how many times you are shown that they are simply not true you seem to hope that if you repeat lies often enough they will become truths.No US Christian has ever been forced to honor same sex marriages or been criminalized for not honoring a same-sex marriage.Abortion is not murder.Abortion was decriminalized with support from Christians, primarily Southern Baptists.

Hang whatever emotional tag you want on it. Just know this: her choice is not yours to make. Ahh, yes. Christians vs Lions. Good times.

What kind of "choice" is it when the information that would show her that it is murder is denied her and all she gets is propaganda that denies that it is murder?

Which is a falsehood as I'm sure you are aware, but still, it's considerably better a choice than you throwing her and her doctor in jail and a hell of a lot better choice than pushing her onto the back streets into the hands of some butcher.You seem to forget that this is why legal abortion became such an issue in the mid-, late-60's. Your christian stranglehold was killing teenage girls by the thousands every year. Your religion was then, and has remained, poison to humanity.

Righto. Murder is to be preferred to antiquated morality that says murder is a bad thing, or daring to suggest -- horrors! -- that sex should be confined to marriage. Murdering babies in the millions -- I think it's up to something like fifty million since Roe v Wade -- somehow that's better than old-fashioned sexual morality or encouraging women to go through with an inconvenient pregnancy. I think there were some options even back then but now there are pregnancy helps all over the place so that unwanted pregnancy can be lived through without killing your baby.Hey I did all that myself, abandoned all that antiquated morality for the enlightened modern view, got pregnant, had an abortion, had bad dreams about it but didn't think of it as murder until I became a Christian decades later. Are you aware that many women do experience emotional repercussions from abortion such as bad dreams and depression? That's because they know even if they can't admit it that they consented to the murder of their baby. They may have been told it's not a baby but they know it is. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Murder is an unlawful killing.Please actually read that line and try to understand what the words mean.Murder is an unlawful killing.Abortion in almost all cases is not an unlawful killing and so it cannot be murder no matter how many times you assert that it is.

Right, so if we make all murder legal then there will be no more murder. Clever solution to the problem. We can eliminate fraud that way too, just make it legal. And theft. Just change the laws so there is no such thing as theft. Wonderful. Why didn't we think of this a long time ago?