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Message 1 of 96 (741164)
11-10-2014 10:17 AM


In Message 816 of Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID Faith claims that many Christians consider the US Civil War as an example of God's Wrath on the nation for slavery.

I do not doubt her claim at all but think it would be educational to see what that would say about the God she attempts to market.

First some basics.

Let's look at deaths. Recent figures point to about 140,000 Union combat deaths and 75,000 Confederate combat deaths.

So about twice as many folk opposing slavery died in combat as those alleged under Faith's scenario to be supporting slavery.

Slightly more Union soldiers died from causes (disease, starvation) other than combat than Confederate soldiers.

Based on those figures it would seem more likely the US Civil War was an example of God's Wrath for opposing slavery than for supporting slavery.

But there is more.

Only about 20% of Southerners actually owned slaves, maybe one out of three families. Based on and the fact that those wealthy enough to own slaves could hire folk to fight for them or were considered officers and so received better food, clothing, shelter and care than the average grunt it seems almost all of the folk that died never owned slaves.

So what does all that say about God's Wrath? Well for starters it says kill twice as many folk that opposed slavery as supported slavery and kill four to ten non-slave owners for every slave owner.

Doesn't sound like a very smart God.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 18 of 96 (741209)
11-10-2014 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Faith
11-10-2014 10:53 AM


Faith helps show the God she markets is a fool.
Why do you keep trying to convince folk the God you market is a fool as well as evil?

The Nation did not suffer; it came out of the Civil War stronger, wealthier and more unified than before.

The freed slaves continued to suffer.

Women remained chattel.

Discrimination continued.

So it seems the best the God you try to market could do is to kill a whole bunch of innocent people and let the suffering, injustice and discrimination continue.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 26 of 96 (741227)
11-10-2014 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Faith
11-10-2014 1:28 PM


Faith endorses New Math as well as New Speak
Faith, your ability to lie to yourself and others never ceases to amaze me.

From the OP.

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In Message 816 of Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID Faith claims that many Christians consider the US Civil War as an example of God's Wrath on the nation for slavery.

I do not doubt her claim at all but think it would be educational to see what that would say about the God she attempts to market.

First some basics.

Let's look at deaths. Recent figures point to about 140,000 Union combat deaths and 75,000 Confederate combat deaths.

So about twice as many folk opposing slavery died in combat as those alleged under Faith's scenario to be supporting slavery.

Slightly more Union soldiers died from causes (disease, starvation) other than combat than Confederate soldiers.

Based on those figures it would seem more likely the US Civil War was an example of God's Wrath for opposing slavery than for supporting slavery.

But there is more.

Only about 20% of Southerners actually owned slaves, maybe one out of three families. Based on and the fact that those wealthy enough to own slaves could hire folk to fight for them or were considered officers and so received better food, clothing, shelter and care than the average grunt it seems almost all of the folk that died never owned slaves.

So what does all that say about God's Wrath? Well for starters it says kill twice as many folk that opposed slavery as supported slavery and kill four to ten non-slave owners for every slave owner.

Doesn't sound like a very smart God.


Which is larger, 140,000 or 75,000?

Sure, just as when it comes to discussing the Bible you can try to avoid facing facts, but the facts remain.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 28 of 96 (741230)
11-10-2014 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Faith
11-10-2014 2:57 PM


Re: Faith endorses New Math as well as New Speak
LOL

Palm many peas?

Is 140,000 more than 75,000?

Why did your God think it was necessary to kill many times more non-slave owners than slave owners?

Is it just that She is an idiot or some other reason?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 41 of 96 (741252)
11-10-2014 5:06 PM
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11-10-2014 3:46 PM


one of these things is not like the other...
Faith, which is larger, 140,000 deaths or 75,000 deaths?

It really is that simple.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 46 of 96 (741301)
11-11-2014 8:38 AM
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11-11-2014 6:28 AM


Re: one of these things is not like the other...
But the Nation, the US, came out stronger and wealthier than before the war. Remember Faith's claim was that the US Civil War was an example of God's Wrath on the nation for slavery.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 67 of 96 (741367)
11-11-2014 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Theodoric
11-11-2014 6:27 PM


The importation of slaves had already been outlawed in the US before the Civil War.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 73 of 96 (741404)
11-12-2014 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
11-12-2014 1:46 AM


And where is your support?
Learn to think Faith.

No one has disputed that people think the US Civil War was punishment by the God you try to market. But that is not evidence that the US Civil War was punishment by the God you try to market.

In fact, your post supports the position that there were many very normal, secular, human causes for the US Civil War. No God need apply.

Tour task is not to show that people believe a fantasy but rather actual evidence that would support your contention.

Why did your vile evil God punish many more non-slave owners than owners?

Why did your vile evil God punish the slaves themselves?

Why did only the US get punished and not Cuba, Jamaica, the Virgin Islands, Bermuda ...


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 96 of 96 (741640)
11-13-2014 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Faith
11-13-2014 12:39 PM


You cannot claim Biblical Truth as an answer while you continue to misrepresent what is written in the Bible, can you?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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