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Author Topic:   The US Civil War as an example of God's Wrath.
New Cat's Eye
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Message 22 of 96 (741222)
11-10-2014 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Faith
11-10-2014 1:28 PM


Let's do the math then

140,000/22 Million = 0.64 %
75,000/9 million = 0.83 %

The numbers as you demonstrate it show that the South was the bigger loser, which is an answer to jar's claim that it was the North.

But the North lost more people. And the south only lost more percentage by two-tenths of a percent.

What you are saying is that if there was an army of 1 million people fighting against just 2 people, and those 2 people killed 480,000 people from the other army while only one of them died, well that would mean that the 2 person army was the biggest loser.

Because they lost 50% of their army with the million-man army only lost 48% of theirs.

That's retarded.


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Message 24 of 96 (741225)
11-10-2014 2:40 PM
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11-10-2014 2:35 PM


OK I misread the decimal point, sorry, still contradicts jar's huge number of losses for the North as opposed to the South.

But it doesn't, the North still lost almost twice as many people as the South.

So it looks like your god was not involved.

And if he was, he was either incompetent or evil.


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Message 29 of 96 (741232)
11-10-2014 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Faith
11-10-2014 2:50 PM


My point way back there already was that the percentage of what was lost is what matters, not the absolute numbers,

And that's even worse. Continuing with my analogy:

You would be saying that God was on the side of the 1 million man army, because they defeated a higher percentage of people in the 2 man army.

But clearly, 2 men killing 480,000 people is much more miraculous than 1 million people killing one man.

That's why, if your god was involved, he was either ineffective or evil. He helped the 1 million man army side kill off 50% of the population of the opposing army - which was only 1 man.

And while they were doing that, he let 480,000 people on the good side die.

BEHOLD HIS AWESOME POWER!

The North had more than twice the population of the South: 22 million to 9 million.

Their army was roughly twice the size of the South's.

The South lost roughly half the number the North did, or about the same percentage.

So then, god screwed the north over big time!

They had twice as many people but lost the same amount. Why would god do that to them?

They were trying to save the slaves! And god hindered them greatly! What a jerk!


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 31 of 96 (741238)
11-10-2014 3:29 PM
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11-10-2014 3:18 PM


I've been talking about relative losses and to lose a higher percentage of your population is a greater loss, therefore the South sustained a greater loss than the North, in contrast with jar's comparison of the absolute numbers..

Just like the 2 man army had a "greater loss" than the 1 million man army...

As I said, that's retarded.

I have not said one word in favor of the idea that the numbers killed had anything to do with how God judged the two sides.

You said that you regard the Civil War as God's judgment/wrath on the nation for slavery.

That judgement was in the form of killing off proportionally more of people who were trying to stop slavery.

Ergo, your god is stupid or evil. Or simply was not involved.

And if you will read the WHOLE thread you'll find answers to the rest of your insulting and blasphemous nonsense.

I don't have the patience to go back and review it right now.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 33 of 96 (741241)
11-10-2014 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Faith
11-10-2014 3:46 PM


To say it was God's judgment is only to say that it was a terrible calamity,

That's not saying anything at all! And you could say that about anything!

Catholics killed a bunch of protestants in the past, it was a terrible calamity.

HOLY SHIT GOD WAS JUDGING THEM!

Why don't you just keep your stupid bullshit to yourself?


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 34 of 96 (741242)
11-10-2014 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Faith
11-10-2014 3:46 PM


I'm definitely going to keep this in mind.

Next time you bitch about how many Protestants were killed by Catholics, I will inform you that it was the result of God judging the Protestants.

And I can always fall back on the fact that God judges things according to His own standards and there's no particular reason we should be able to figure them out.


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Message 36 of 96 (741244)
11-10-2014 3:59 PM
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11-10-2014 3:57 PM


Re: Reminder
Sorry Phat.

It was an honest question. Disrespectful, but honest.

Duly noted.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 38 of 96 (741247)
11-10-2014 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
11-10-2014 4:31 PM


You're actually claiming that the murder of fifty million Protestants and seventeen million Jews, Muslims, atheists and witches by the Roman Church over a six hundred year period is judgment and not persecution?

Yep, God judged the daylights out of them. Hard. Like, Old Testament hard.

Isn't His power awesome!?

What sins would you impute to the sixty seven million killed over six hundred years?

God judges things according to His own standards and there's no particular reason we should be able to figure them out.

You know that.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 40 of 96 (741250)
11-10-2014 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
11-10-2014 4:47 PM


You apparently don't mind twisting the truth,

...

any old lie will do when it serves your bias

Dear Lord, get this woman a mirror!


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 80 of 96 (741458)
11-12-2014 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Faith
11-12-2014 12:41 PM


The only thing I claimed the beliefs of Lincoln and Jefferson were evidence for is that God's judgment on nations was standard Biblical theology and not some oddball idea of a minor "sect."

Yeah but Lincoln was just talking colloquially and you're acting like God was playing pieces in chess game.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 83 of 96 (741469)
11-12-2014 2:14 PM
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11-12-2014 1:49 PM


Pieces in a chess game? I don't think so. Some others here have treated it that way, but I don't think it's all that easy to know the particulars of God's judgment on nations because we can't know all the complex interwoven causes that God sees. I think in the case of the Civil War it had to be God's judgment but beyond noting that the South lost it dramatically I haven't suggested anything about the specifics of the war as God's will. Again it's too complex for us to figure out beyond the blanket assessment that it WAS judgment.

Then you're not saying anything at all.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 86 of 96 (741475)
11-12-2014 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Faith
11-12-2014 3:07 PM


Nuh-uh, you are wrong.

I'm not going to prove it to you. But you ARE wrong.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 90 of 96 (741600)
11-13-2014 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Faith
11-12-2014 5:40 PM


Run out of original material?

We've run out of original material TO REPLY TO.

I mean, you've been here 13 years and you're still saying the same old stuff:

"God said it, I believe it, that settles it."

Well whoopty-do

ABE:

How many topics do you think you've drug off-topic with discussion about the flood?

100?

Edited by Cat Sci, : No reason given.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 92 of 96 (741617)
11-13-2014 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Faith
11-13-2014 12:39 PM


This is absolutely the first time I've decided to stand on the Biblical truth alone as my answer to the claims of this site, the first in all the time I've been here.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 94 of 96 (741623)
11-13-2014 1:22 PM
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11-13-2014 1:20 PM


I don't have the patience to go back and read it all right now.

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