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Eddie the Head
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Message 353 of 578 (746179)
01-03-2015 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 351 by New Cat's Eye
01-02-2015 11:19 AM


Re: "Black Lives Matter"
Black lives DO matter. So does any other race.
However, break the law, deal with the law.
Stop promoting the stereotypical attitude and lifestyle that a non-black sees promoted almost everywhere by the most visual and vocal members of the black society.
The lifestyle and attitude displayed by these visual and vocal members instill fear into others.
I doubt the policeman that was a part of this was not afraid of what he sees on a daily basis. He was hated not just because he was dressed in blue but also because he was white. Keep that in mind when relieving Garner of guilt.
When a large portion of the songs written by black hip hop artists demonstrate an overt hatred of non-blacks, namely whites, what do you expect the reaction to be?
The reaction should be FEAR and suspicion. That's typical human nature. Fear what you know hates you and wants to see your destruction. It absolutely goes both ways on the race spectrum. To deny that is to live with your head in the sand.
Seriously, why should someone listen to a genre of music that openly hates others regardless of the listeners color?
Lil Wayne is absolutely no better of an example than Charles Manson. His hatred permeates his listeners thoughts and actions the same as Manson's thoughts and actions permeated and controlled his followers.
But because Lil Wayne is black, he gets a free ride???
How absurd is that? Is that not discrimination toward Manson? (And BTW, I'm no fan of Manson.)
So then, because the police do not get indicted is an example of injustice? Perhaps it is. But, do they automatically NEED to be indicted BECAUSE they are police officers?
How absurd is that? How discriminatory is that?
But, perhaps there is more that goes on in the courtroom than the media would like you to believe.
Evidence you don't get to see? Another side to the story?
How much evidence was reported as true in the Mike Brown case before the media had to recant their stories?
Before the video surfaced of Brown accosting and robbing the store owner dressed in the exact same clothes he died in on the exact same day he died a short time before he died, we got to see his friend telling the media a wholly different story than what the police reported.
The rub with that??? His friend was wearing the exact same clothes on the exact same day as he helped Brown commit the robbery and assault on the exact same store owner in the EXACT SAME VIDEO!!!
The Guardian article you cite evokes Mike Brown as some sort of martyr, which he was not. He was a criminal that decided his own fate.
That alone tells me the Guardian is trying to tie the Garner case to the Brown case based on RACE alone, and not truth.
Garner was probably a travesty of law enforcement, but maybe not. It seems as though his widow knew the police were on to him.
What We See In The Eric Garner Video, And What We Don't : Code Switch : NPR
Try thinking that maybe Garner was not actually the innocent person that the media portray him to be. He had to have been warned by the police. He ignored their warnings. He decided his own fate as well.
In all of it though, I hope that justice is served to whomever requires it.
But I also hope that the justice served is understood and accepted by whomever it does not favor.

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Eddie the Head
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Message 355 of 578 (746187)
01-04-2015 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 354 by Dr Adequate
01-04-2015 12:45 AM


Re: "Black Lives Matter"
Ahhh... The old ad hominem attack. I can see how your logic works.
There is nothing of value in an ad hominem attack. It only display certain character traits of the attacker. Try again.

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Eddie the Head
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Message 380 of 578 (746239)
01-04-2015 9:31 PM


Most people post because they haven't seen a good enough argument, stance, opinion etc. That's why I posted in particular. Faith came very close.
Dr A's reply was indeed an ad hominem attack. As soon as he invoked the word "you" it was ad hominem. Look it up if you don't believe me.
My point in comparing LW to CM was to show the relationship between the leaders and the followers. The relationship is exactly the same in both instances.
CM proclaimed something, his followers perpetuated it.
LW proclaimed something and his followers, too, perpetuate it.
As for the Mike Brown case, well, take a cursory search for example. And I'm not going to cite sources because we all have the same access to the same sources. Do the homework as I did and you will find it.
Mike Brown was a convicted criminal that committed a crime just a few minutes before he was shot by a police officer for not obeying what the police officer said. As a matter of fact, the police officer only wanted Brown and his companion to move out of the middle of the street. More than likely for their safety, and not just to be a prick.
However, because the stereotypical police officer just plain old HATES BLACKS, Brown decided that he just had enough of the police tactics and decided to try and take the gun from the policeman. (I will refer to him as Wilson from now on).
Wilson did exactly as he was trained to do, AFTER sustaining a fracture to his orbital bone.
Oh, shot in the back??? Not according to the autopsy.
Oh, just minding his own business??? Not according to numerous witnesses.
Oh, just a harmless 18 year old??? Not according to his record.
Oh, etc, etc, etc...
13,000,000 Blacks in the U.S.
63,000,000 Whites in the U.S.
123 Black deaths by law enforcement last year.
350+ White deaths by law enforcement in the same time frame.
Cops are just out to get Black people?
White on Black homicides? 7% of the Black murdered last year.
Black on Black homicides? 93% of the Black murdered last year.
Check out John Gentry and his opinion sometime.
How many Black on Black murders go UN-FUCKING-MENTIONED by the media???
How many? Find out. It's pathetic.
How many White on Black instances get the mention? I say instances because the reporting of discrimination of ANY SORT is just sickening.
How many drive by shootings happen in the inner cities that go completely unnoticed by the media?
Try the murder rate in Chicago on for size.
BTW, Chicago in a gun-free area. More on that later.
As for the Garner case, I did see the video that was made.
Garner did everything he could to rouse the police. He listened to nothing they said. He resisted arrest. He was also asthmatic and obese. I'm sure that didn't help anything.
I think the police were too heavy handed with Garner and, well, unfortunately it ended in a lost life.
Dr A, try arguing against what I said and not me. You don't even know me.

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Eddie the Head
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Message 385 of 578 (746248)
01-04-2015 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 359 by RAZD
01-04-2015 12:49 PM


Re: Constructive Critique or Playground Trash Talk.
I can honestly say I am not as racist as you may want me to be.
I do, however, have very little time for one race far above all other.
The rectal race. I just hate assholes. Whatever color or creed they are, I just hate assholes. Nothing good comes from a human asshole. You can't use anything that comes from a human asshole for anything productive, even fertilizer unless you process it beyond recognition.
Human assholes, ironically, never think they have anything bad to say about themselves.
Al Sharpton is a mega-asshole.
Fred Phelps is a mega-asshole.
Barack Obama is a mega-asshole.
Jim Jefferies is an asshole.
Most Hip-Hop artists are assholes.
The Kardashians are assholes.
Amanda Bynes is an asshole.
Ben Affleck is an asshole.
Matt Damon is an asshole.
Bill Maher is an asshole.
Jesse Jackson is an asshole.
The Klan are a bunch of assholes.
Miley Cyrus is an asshole.
Islamic extremists are assholes.
Non-office holding liberals are mild assholes.
Loudmouth gays are assholes.
Militant feminists are assholes.
Samuel L. Jackson is an asshole.
The Kim Jong's from North Korea are a family of assholes
Jamie Fox is an asshole.
Dick Cheney is an asshole.
I can go on and on but I think you get the point.
Assholes are everywhere. In all races and creeds.
So yeah, I suppose I am racist.
And BTW, your link was a joke. The test was a joke. Mother Jones is a joke. MJ screams of racism in this test as well as other things MJ reports. Bad website to rely on for truth and non-bias reporting.
Cite something a little less biased and then you may have something.
And, technically, Dr. A's reply was, by definition, ad hominem.
And, of your reply to Jon, there was just as much cherry picking and opinion there too.
And, BTW, I didn't justify Brown's killing for "a couple dollars worth of smokes" either. Ad hoc response.
Look up that definition if you need to. If you already know the definition, good for you.
Again, try John Gentry and listen to what he has to say.

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Eddie the Head
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Message 388 of 578 (746251)
01-04-2015 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 384 by RAZD
01-04-2015 10:10 PM


Re: typical hogwash argument
Please. Find some other myth to propagate.
Why is it that many Blacks, mostly urban male youths, feel the need to continue to buck the system?
And what of the stats I quoted from the FBI database? What? Nothing?
And Dr. A said nothing of the content of my post.
If you forgot:
Well, if that's your first post you have nowhere to go but up ...
AD HOMINEM, by definition. From your link no less.
Seriously, I thought the dialogue would have been better on this site.

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Eddie the Head
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Message 390 of 578 (746253)
01-04-2015 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 387 by RAZD
01-04-2015 10:46 PM


Re: Constructive Critique or Playground Trash Talk.
http://johnathangentry.com/
Seriously, do your own homework. If a rigged litmus test for racism can be found on line, then finding a link or two or three to a simple name shouldn't be that difficult.
And yes, assholes make me angry. Especially assholes like that list.
Tell me why any one of those people shouldn't be on that list.
As for the ad hominem by Dr. A accusation, absolutely. My very first post here was dismissed and, more than likely, not even verified.
Still wrong, but you do continue to make his point that your posts do lack a certain je ne sais quoi about them ... and if you don't like that criticism then you might try a different approach. Oops I said "you" ... is that an ad hominem?
Facts are facts. If you don't like them then, well, then that may truly be a problem for you.

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Eddie the Head
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Message 394 of 578 (746258)
01-04-2015 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 391 by RAZD
01-04-2015 11:12 PM


Re: typical hogwash argument
1.ad hominem (abusive): instead of attacking an assertion, the argument attacks the person who made the assertion.
There. Right there. From the link you provided.
...you have nowhere to go but up...
Is it deliberate?
Perhaps your approach is the problem?
If you can't stand facts.
You lay down some questionable statements, insist they are true, claim that you don't need to substantiate them,
Why can't you do your own homework as I have done?
I don't have too much time in the day to cut and paste link after link for you. Especially when anything I've said thus far has been attacked.
That demonstrates an apparent bigotry.
and then whine when somebody says your post sucks.
I could care less about my eloquence. I haven't claimed eloquence here.
What I am concerned about is your readiness to dismiss facts because they don't fit a seeming induced bias.
That is what concerns me the most.
Anytime you see something you disagree with, it is termed, how do you guys always put it????
Irrelevant
Yep, that's it. Irrelevant. That's a dead horse.
You mean the system that keeps young black people poor, undereducated, imprisoned for minor misdemeanors, vilified by pompous self-righteous bloviating pundits, the system that tries to take away their rights and the ability to vote, the system that says you can have a demeaning job for less than minimum wage and grovel to keep it ... that system?
Gosh I don't know. Maybe you should start a new topic to discuss that ...
Take a walk down in Jamaica, Queens some time and tell me if your tune doesn't change. Or you can even try Detroit. Or South Philly. Or the Bronx, Brooklyn or Suffolk, VA.
Go ahead and take a leisurely jaunt down through any one of those areas. Your eyes will open up.
And in case you must know, I have. It is not nice. And a pile of it is brought upon them by themselves. Regardless of color or creed.
I've seen all shades of skin color in the same self-made predicament.
Time to get off the high hobby horse and implore people to take care of themselves, all by themselves.
Stop the liberal shit talk.
Edited by Eddie the Head, : Hit the insert button instead of the backspace button. Oops.

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