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RAZD
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Message 1 of 578 (743592)
12-02-2014 3:20 PM


I've often wondered where prejudices began, the "them vs us" was too simplistic ...
There are several different tests here that cover different biases ...
http://politicaltruths.info/...ientific-analysis-racism-read
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... The research on rapid-fire, implicit biases, meanwhile, should restart a debate over the role of mediathe news segment that depicts immigrants as hostile job snatchers, the misogynistic lyrics in a songin subtly imparting stereotypes that literally affect brain wiring. Indeed, you could argue that not only does the culture in which we live make us subtly prejudiced, but it does so against our will. That’s a disturbing thought.
So how do we break the cycle? We could require lawmakers to engage in exercises to recognize their own unconscious prejudice, like the Fair and Impartial Policing program does. Or we could even go a step further and anonymize emails they receive from constituentsthus taking implicit bias out of the equation.
Short of that, you can do something very simple to fight prejudice: Trick your brain. UNC-Chapel Hill’s Payne suggests that by deliberately thinking a thought that is directly counter to widespread stereotypes, you can break normal patterns of association. What counts as counterstereotypical? Well, Payne’s study found that when research subjects were instructed to think the word safe whenever they saw a black faceundermining the stereotypical association between black people and dangerthey were 10 percent less likely than those in a control group to misidentify a gun in the Weapons Identification Task.
To be sure, it will take more than thought exercises to erase the deep tracks of prejudice America has carved through the generations. But consciousness and awareness are a startand the psychological research is nothing if not a consciousness-raiser. Taking the IAT made me realize that we can’t just draw some arbitrary line between prejudiced people and unprejudiced people, and declare ourselves to be on the side of the angels. Biases have slipped into all of our brains. And that means we all have a responsibility to recognize those biasesand work to change them.
... On his giant monitor, Amodio shows me a big blob of data, a cluster of points depicting where people score on the Implicit Association Test. The test measures racial prejudices that we cannot consciously control. I've taken it three times now. This time around my uncontrolled prejudice, while clearly present, has come in significantly below the average for white people like me.
That certainly beats the first time I took the IAT online, on the website UnderstandingPrejudice.org. That time, my results showed a "strong automatic preference" for European Americans over African Americans. That was not a good thing to hear, but it's extremely common51 percent of online test takers show moderate to strong bias.
Sometimes you're asked to sort African American faces and "good" words to one side of the screen. Other times, black faces are to be sorted with "bad" words. As words and faces keep flashing by, you struggle not to make too many sorting mistakes.
And then suddenly, you have a horrible realization. When black faces and "bad" words are paired together, you feel yourself becoming faster in your categorizingan indication that the two are more easily linked in your mind. "It's like you're on a bike going downhill," Amodio says, "and you feel yourself going faster. So you can say, 'I know this is not how I want to come off,' but there's no other response option."
And I scored about where I expected to be on both race and sexuality, but haven't done the others yet.
Don't feel you need to share your results, just whether they came out as expected or not.
Maybe try again next year and see if you improve ...?
Enjoy.

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Dogmafood
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Message 2 of 578 (743631)
12-02-2014 7:47 PM
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12-02-2014 3:20 PM


Well I am not homophobic but I was glad to find out that I have a natural preference for women.
It sure is interesting. I work with some openly racist people on occasion and I seldom let a racist comment pass without objecting. However, my IAT results show that I have a moderate preference for Europeans over Africans. Which is worse, conscious or subconscious racism?

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Message 3 of 578 (743633)
12-02-2014 8:22 PM
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12-02-2014 3:20 PM


think the word safe whenever they saw a black faceundermining the stereotypical association between black people and dangerthey were 10 percent less likely than those in a control group to misidentify a gun in the Weapons Identification Task.
So thinking "safe, safe, safe" around black folk will help me to remember the difference between a Saturday Night Special and a 155 Howitzer? I suppose that might be helpful sometime.

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Jon
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Message 4 of 578 (743647)
12-02-2014 9:17 PM
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12-02-2014 3:20 PM


There are several different tests here that cover different biases ...
Where?

Love your enemies!

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Message 5 of 578 (743648)
12-02-2014 9:29 PM
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Message 6 of 578 (743649)
12-02-2014 10:23 PM
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12-02-2014 3:20 PM


Buncha crap.
Ever hear of "push polling?" Designed to get a specific result?
Anyone can come up with these quizzes and design them to get the results they want.

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"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Message 7 of 578 (743650)
12-02-2014 10:30 PM
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12-02-2014 10:23 PM


Then as you fall within the set of "anyone", you'll have no trouble coming up with an implicit association test that gives the exact opposite result.
Let us know how you get on.
What this has to do with "push polling" you do not explain.

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Jon
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Message 8 of 578 (743658)
12-03-2014 12:42 AM
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12-02-2014 9:29 PM


That was the stupidest 'test' I've ever seen.
I couldn't group anything how I wanted. I stopped after the first set of faces and the first few words.
What a joke.

Love your enemies!

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Dogmafood
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Message 9 of 578 (743670)
12-03-2014 5:27 AM
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12-03-2014 12:42 AM


The faces and words belong in a certain category whether you liked it or not. What the tests look at is the time differences between your ability to pick the correct category. An intuitively racist person will associate an African face with negative words faster than they will with positive words. Same same for gender.

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Jon
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Message 10 of 578 (743678)
12-03-2014 9:28 AM
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12-03-2014 5:27 AM



Love your enemies!

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Tempe 12ft Chicken
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Message 11 of 578 (743682)
12-03-2014 10:15 AM


Well, I just completed the weapons IAT and it appears I more often associate weapons with white individuals than black individuals.
IAT writes:
Your data suggest a moderate association of White Americans with Weapons compared to Black Americans.
I think I will take some of the other ones as well, just to see what my results are from them.
Well, after taking two more (the sexuality and the religion one) I learned that I may have automatic tendencies to favor straight people, although I do think these tests are looking at automatic responses and not whether we then think about and criticize our own auto responses. As for the religion one, being raised Catholic and becoming Atheist, I am not surprised that I ended up with Christianity being the religion I identified with good least often, with Buddhism being the religion I said was good most often

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Message 12 of 578 (743683)
12-03-2014 10:22 AM


I believe all people harbor some prejudices and racism. No matter what we are human and have human flaws. The trick I think is to recognize it as a flaw and make attempts to better oneself. It's funny sometimes to see the most self admitted "unracist" person do and say the most racist crap.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 13 of 578 (743693)
12-03-2014 12:08 PM
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12-03-2014 10:22 AM


~1.6 writes:
I believe all people harbor some prejudices and racism.
I consider myself a recovering racist.

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RAZD
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Message 14 of 578 (743699)
12-03-2014 2:50 PM
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12-02-2014 7:47 PM


... However, my IAT results show that I have a moderate preference for Europeans over Africans. ...
I think there is so much low level racism in society that it is very difficult not to absorb some bias.
... Which is worse, conscious or subconscious racism?
The first part of solving a problem is recognizing the problem. Then you can work on it, subconscious or not.
Enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 15 of 578 (743700)
12-03-2014 2:54 PM
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12-02-2014 8:22 PM


So thinking "safe, safe, safe" around black folk will help me to remember the difference between a Saturday Night Special and a 155 Howitzer? ...
More like the difference between a real gun and a toy.
The boy in the store shot dead
The boy in the playground shot dead
A little more time before jumping to conclusions may have made a difference.
Enjoy

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