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Faith 
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Message 556 of 578 (756107)
04-15-2015 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 545 by Jon
04-15-2015 9:34 AM


Re: God and Capital Punishment
Don't you know that by supporting, voting for, and condoning those "state authorities" who implement the death penalty that you also have the blood of the executed on your hands?
I already answered this but not enough to the point: It's by NOT implementing the death penalty that the whole society has the blood of the innocent person Slager murdered on our hands. We share in his guilt by not punishing him properly for his crime.

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Message 557 of 578 (756136)
04-15-2015 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 539 by Faith
04-15-2015 1:22 AM


Look it up in any commentary.
Has "sola scriptura" been changed to "duplicity scriptura + commentary"?

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 558 of 578 (756137)
04-15-2015 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by Faith
04-15-2015 9:52 AM


Faith writes:
ABE: You deleted your message?
Yup.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Jon
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Message 559 of 578 (756153)
04-15-2015 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 556 by Faith
04-15-2015 12:01 PM


Re: God and Capital Punishment
It's by NOT implementing the death penalty that the whole society has the blood of the innocent person Slager murdered on our hands. We share in his guilt by not punishing him properly for his crime.
And how does that work, Faith?
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 560 of 578 (756154)
04-15-2015 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by Faith
04-15-2015 9:39 AM


Re: God and Capital Punishment
No, you'd rather punish the judge.
I would?
It is only the blood of the innocent one has on one's hands, not the blood of the guilty.
Whatever helps you sleep at night...

Love your enemies!

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Message 561 of 578 (756214)
04-16-2015 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 539 by Faith
04-15-2015 1:22 AM


Faith writes:
Look it up in any commentary.
Or look it up in the Bible. Jesus was clear that only those without sin - i.e. nobody - were fit to administer the death penalty. And He said so to the equivalent of the state authority.

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NoNukes
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Message 562 of 578 (756225)
04-16-2015 5:42 PM
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04-16-2015 12:20 PM


Jesus was clear that only those without sin - i.e. nobody - were fit to administer the death penalty
I don't want to tar Faith with this comment because I don't believe she subscribes to this theology. But it is of note that the Conservapedia 'translation' of the Bible omits this story because they consider it to be liberal. It is also the case that there is lots of conservative Bible 'commentary' that suggests that Jesus did not actually mean those words that the Bible attributes to him.
If you have the state's blood on your hands every time you fail to execute a murder, surely you have blood on your hands every time the state imprisons or executes the wrong person.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Faith 
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Message 563 of 578 (756253)
04-17-2015 12:41 AM
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04-16-2015 5:42 PM


If you have the state's blood on your hands every time you fail to execute a murder, surely you have blood on your hands every time the state imprisons or executes the wrong person.
I agree, and that's a big problem these days.

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Message 564 of 578 (756256)
04-17-2015 2:49 AM
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04-17-2015 12:41 AM


It is so bad, orders of magnitude worse for the poor, people of color and so on. As the Soup Nazi would say "No capital punishment for you 100 years!"

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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NoNukes
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Message 565 of 578 (756268)
04-17-2015 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 563 by Faith
04-17-2015 12:41 AM


Nonukes writes:
...you have blood on your hands every time the state imprisons or executes the wrong person
Faith writes:
I agree, and that's a big problem these days.
These days?
I challenge you to pick a time in this country's history when the problem was not worse.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Message 566 of 578 (757236)
05-06-2015 8:27 AM


From PZ Myers, Pharyngula: Officer Friendly has changed a bit over the years.

  
Faith 
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Message 567 of 578 (760222)
06-18-2015 6:28 PM


The Charleston church murders and the death penalty
They caught the kid who killed the nine people in the church in Charleston. So let's find out what possessed him and then execute him by firing squad at dawn. I'm serious. But I expect the usual misquided handwringing about executing a murderer, already expressed on this thread when I proposed it for the murderer of Walter Scott a while back. At least they found the officer guilty of murder in that case. Seemed they might not at first, even with the video evidence.
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ABE:
As often happens I didn't put myself across very clearly in this post and some read me as angry about the murders and seeking revenge against the murderer. I added some posts later in an attempt to clarify, but I need to try to make it clear here as well, that I have no attitude of revenge whatever, all I'm feeling is deep grief and sadness over the murders. What prompted my post was the anti-death penalty thinking that wants even unambiguously guilty people spared, which I see as against justice, a weakening of society, and against God's command. I can't hate this kid either, he's obviously terribly warped and I suppose there are reasons for that we'll hear about eventually. That wouldn't change my view of the justice of the death penalty. In any case he should be given the gospel in case he might repent and be saved.
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And to those who objected to my phrase "found guilty" in the case of Officer Slager who shot Walter Scott to death, again just a bad choice of words. At least he was CHARGED with murder which at first looked like it might not happen.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 568 of 578 (760226)
06-18-2015 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Faith
06-18-2015 6:28 PM


quote:
Romans 12:17 (NRSV):
Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.

Love your enemies!

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ramoss
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Message 569 of 578 (760229)
06-18-2015 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Faith
06-18-2015 6:28 PM


Just to point out 'Indited' is not 'found guilty' .. but it's gonna go to trial.

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NoNukes
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Message 570 of 578 (760230)
06-18-2015 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Faith
06-18-2015 6:28 PM


At least they found the officer guilty of murder in that case. Seemed they might not at first, even with the video evidence.
Are you saying that we are not going to even bother holding a trial? I know that Office Slager has been charged, but he was just indicted last week. Perhaps you've jumped the gun just a bit.
So let's find out what possessed him and then execute him by firing squad at dawn. I'm serious.
I know you are serious. Screw the rule of law. Just lynch the mofo right?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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