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Um...god is supposed to be all knowing - what's with this committee majority shit?

Perhaps only a religious addict would claim to knowhow God is supposed to be.
A better question is whether a Creator Of All Seen & Unseen can be thought of the rational mind without evidence. Pros & Cons?

There is no such thing as the rational mind - it's a metaphor. 'A creator' can be thought of by a brain in a rational (evidence based) or irrational (belief based) way or a mixture of both.

Can Belief be rational if unevidenced?

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I believe so. Others would disagree. Which then leads down several rabbit trails.

Am I addicted to religion?

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ENJOY

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Edited by Phat, : subtitle

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

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You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile

A simplified version of Sigmund Freud's iceberg of consciousness I've recently become aware of at least a part of my sub conscious or alter ego.
From what I understand the alter ego is located at the back of our brains, the cerebellum.
Its our instinctive minds.Our counscious minds are located in our pre-frontal cortex. The matter in our foreheads is what sets us apart from a chimp.This is an over simplified illustration. As we get older our alter egos get hardwired to do certain things automatically such as ride a bike.
Problem with drugs is that it tricks the mind into thinking its great by releasing all these feel good chemicals like oxytocine, seratonin and dopamine. Over time the brain treats the drug like its food, a necessity.I came across an intersting article a while ago that illustrates the difference between knowleadge and understanding.
A guy reassemled a push bike so that it turned right when you turned the handlebars left and vice versa.He found that despite knowing the bikes configuration and what had to be done to ride it, no one could ride it more than 2 meters.
Our subconscious has the muscle memory to automatically stay balanced and ride a normal bike.He decided to see how hard it would be to rewire his cerebellum.
"He practiced riding the backwards bike every day for months. Trying and failing over and over again.
Finally, after 8 month of slow progress, it finally clicked"I find it interesting how he describes it as finally clicking after 8 months of little progression.
Its a kind of sudden realisation which is what i usually get when thinking about philosophy anf psycology as opposed to the steady progress of learning motion physics or calculus.The True Difference Between Knowledge and Understanding | by Colin Robertson | Better HumansOur sub conscious minds sets us apart from the apes. The largest chimp troupes are only 150 chimps.
The Homo Sapien knew that in order to create civilization, religion needed to be created to form a moral basis of ethics for society to adhere to.Without it we would be savage cannibals focused only on survival and procreation just like the chimps.Anyways... CheerioEdited by Porkncheese, : No reason given.Edited by Porkncheese, : No reason given.

As a general principle, belief in something for which there is no evidence can not ever be rational.But it gets blurred when you start talking about it philosophically. I think it's possible to have a rational belief in a non-interventionist, non-theistic god so long as you've gone through the various logical positions and formed a conclusion based on them.I don't believe that belief in a theistic god is ever rational nor do I think that anybody arrives at their beliefs via a rational process so it's of accademic interest anyway.

The "all-knowing" bit is mostly made up by apologists, etc. The Old Testament doesn't portray God that way.

What does a rational mind work with if not evidence?Sure, you can rationally make up a fictional story based on "fictional evidence" - but unless you can demonstrate that your "evidence" is not fictional, you can not pretend that your story is not fictional.

If he ain't all knowing, all powerful, all loving and all over the place he ain't the god I was taught about. But sure, it's all made up anyway so why not have a committee. No problem.

This one is for you, ringo. Consider in what context each book is read, however. The Bible never became a bestseller because of its thrilling stories. There are literally thousands of stories, legends, and adventures more exciting and compelling.
The Bible likely became a bestseller because many were ordered to distribute. One could argue that such behavior as mass distribution equated to propaganda. We certainly accuse the Mormons of doing the same.I bought Spiderman to read when I was ten for 25 cents at the drug store. I never planned on doing anything but making believe that I was him. (sometimes I wanted to be Superman instead.) One could argue that comic books have their own symptoms of addiction. If one took the time to study the patterns of each, there would be a differing correlation.

I think the significant factor is that the Bible often isn't read. People like Faith, for example, only memorize what they are told it says. The story of the snake "lying" and mankind "falling" is an excellent example of something that is definitely not in the Bible.Owned-but-not-read is considerably different from the way comic books are passed around to be read by many people each. I bought the Classics Illustrated comic book of Mutiny on the Bounty. I can't say I ever wanted to be Fletcher Christian (but you can probably picture me as a mutineer).

I was always told it was based on faith. So I agree, both theists and atheists are irrational.
Seeing 95% of theoretical scientists begin with the theist question of God (which everyone agrees doesn't belong in science).
And so take on the position of atheist as the basis of their studies its fair to say the theoretical science is irrational.
Well thought out Tangle. I can confirm your conclusion with the simple fact that rational questioning is always blocked. Is that like a deist? Can u please explain this further cos I couldn't find any kind of definition of it.
Theist is defined as "a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods" so i don't understand how a non-theistic god is even possible.Im not even sure how to define what I think now. Maybe still just agnostic seeing i have no problem admitting I don't know.
But I actually now think there is a high probability that there is some kind of God that is undefinable to us. Nothing more.

We have discussed this rather common alternate belief before.
Upon researching the two subtopics, I found this: Did The Snake Tell The Truth?
But The Snake Told The Truth! How & Why Did A Snake Have The Ability To Talk?

THE SERPENT’S LIE
Did Mankind "Fall"?
So why do the apologists all lie and why do Ringo and company tell the truth? Sounds like the snake to me. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

It's what the Bible says.

Theists and atheists can be both rational and irrational. It's belief in a god without evidence - faith - which is the irrational position. That's just gobbledegook. What do you think you mean? Are you saying that because science concerns itself with objective, fact-based, analysis of the natural word that it is atheistic? And 'therefore' irrational? If so, it doesn't make logical sense. Try not to be childish. It's a god that does not intervene in human affairs.

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theism
/iz()m/
noun
belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
"there are many different forms of theism"

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Basically a religion. Nobody knows. Atheists don't know either. There's nothing special about not knowing. But belief is a binary, positive thing - you either have it or you don't. If you don't have that belief, then you're an atheist. Atheism just means lacking belief in god(s).