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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Having nearly finished the book,I have grasped the essence of what Schwartz is teaching. Several key points:
I know this sounds obvious but.... Its working for me, at any rate. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
ringo writes: The latest research proves that the brain changes and adapts itself to the addiction. This is known as neuro-plasticity. So the distinction is between addiction and need. An addiction is a counterfeit "need". Also, Ringo:
Phat in 2014 writes:
I need your prayers and advice. On my end of the deal, I will try and do my best. This is officially day 4 of sobrietyringo writes:
Everything we do in one area deprives another area.2014 Phat writes:
IF I can get this addiction cured, all of my other minor addictions of any severity or consequence will also get resolved.Ringo writes:
Really? Or is your behaviour just as likely to be channeled in another direction?2014 Phat writes: And here it is September of 2016, almost two years after that conversation. Today is September 12,2016---Day # 57 of sobriety. The longest I have been able to be sober in 20 years has been 72 days. I have done some research on your question, and am eager to resume our conversation. Lets do some research on this one. Assuming EvC (and us) are still here in six months, let me get back to you on this one. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Cat Sci in 2015 writes: Seems as if every year i manage to read a new book and get in a couple of 30-50 day runs at sobriety! I'm glad you found something better. How's it coming along?
This years book is called Healing The Addicted Brain. What specifically I've learned that I didnt know before is how the healing process works-namely the patient must feel safe before the brain will resort back to its natural state.I also found out that there are definite medical reasons why a person wont listen to common sense early in recovery and why traditional programs don't work. Again...it takes 40 days for the brain to stop seething. Another 90 days for the brain to reset itself if the patient feels safe. At this point (130-150 days) major feelings come from subconscious to conscious level and must be addressed therapeutically. After that it takes 5-12 months to deal with family and relational issues. I promised to keep sober with all of you and report the effects two years ago, but it took this long to get up to day 57. Lets resume...and I'll honestly report my progress. Edited by Phat, : addedChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Phat, 2014 writes: IF I can get this addiction cured, all of my other minor addictions of any severity or consequence will also get resolved. Ringo writes: ...Really? Or is your behaviour just as likely to be channelled in another direction? Lets pick up where we left off two years ago. I have learned a few more things since then and am as of today sober from gambling for 71 days. So to answer your question, yes. behavior quite typically jumps from the primary addiction to another potential or actual addictive habit. Science has shown that an addiction can be defined through MRI scans comparing a "normal" brain to that of a proven addict. Research has shown that most addictions follow the same basic brain pattern. Some of the characteristics include the frontal lobe heating up and showing a higher temperature. Behavior changes. Research has shown that an addict apparantly selectively blocks out sound advice and amplifies destructive advice. Imagine two voices from those around you. One voice says "You should get help. You are hurting yourself. Here is the science." The voice has an amplification recognition of 2 out of 10. Another voice says "Hey lets go have a drink. Lets party!"That voice is measured at an internal amplification of 9 or 10 out of 10. Research shows that the brain will heal enough to listen but that it takes 21-40 days. This is why the recidivism is so high. talk therapy (12 step groups or counsel) is ineffective until some sobriety is achieved. Book junkie that I am, I bought yet another book which I will use. Memoirs Of An ADDICTED BRAIN by Marc Lewis. Here is an overview:
quote: Of course I can read all of the books in the library on the subject and still never understand it without undergoing a healing journey myself. This topic and my other one on the 12 steps both document my previous attempts and my failure to reach the level of sobriety needed. My hope and prayer is that this time--in 2016--i can achieve my goal and report my experience back to all of you. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Day 80! I am excited!! 50 more days to get to Ground Zero and face the pain
I might add that other addictions are coming up now and I am addressing them also. The healing shall happen this time! Stay tuned.... Estimated Day 130: Thanksgiving, November 24th. Estimated healing period: 3 months to a yearChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26 |
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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ringo writes: Q: Do you suffer from addiction?
A: No. I enjoy it. I made it to Day 85! And to be honest I am scared to death of a relapse. Experience has shown me that it never ends well. So did I enjoy my addiction, in retrospect? Im not fully in touch with those feelings yet. Stay tuned... Im starting to feel some deep emotions that I cant quite manage...such as fear of being alone, fear of loss (of sanity, perhaps?)Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1706 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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congratulations, now keep going step by step.
Im starting to feel some deep emotions that I cant quite manage...such as fear of being alone, fear of loss (of sanity, perhaps?) this is where group therapy helps, by seeing and helping others in similar circumstances so you are not alone and not losing touch. Strength.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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this is where group therapy helps, by seeing and helping others in similar circumstances so you are not alone and not losing touch. I am involved in group therapy as well as working with a licensed addictions counselor. I am determined to do my part in the healing process. Day 86 as I type this. Estimated beginning of intense reboot (neuroplasticity) Day 130-approx. Thanksgiving. Estimated length of healing process: Unknown. The brain will only change when "it" feels safe. Right now I am unemployed and looking for work so Im unsure how safe I really feel. My counselor mentioned that a trait that is unique to gamblers over other addictions is a vague sense of entitlement. As has been pointed out to me before here at EvC, I DO in fact exhibit such a trait. In fact, I'm praying to get my old job back. The Union is awaiting a Step Two meeting to attempt to do just that. I am honest enough to realize, however, that I may not get what I want. Stay tuned...Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Who is? Im not fully in touch with those feelings yet. When I see people making bad decisions I wonder if they ask themselves, "Is this going to improve my life?" Of course we all make decisions based on a combination of logic and feelings, so being "in touch with your feelings" isn't an end in itself.
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Phat writes:
Im not fully in touch with those feelings yet.ringo writes:
Lets use an analogy which shows the difference between fear and anxiety.
Who is? Of course we all make decisions based on a combination of logic and feelings, so being "in touch with your feelings" isn't an end in itself. Anxiety According to authors Sadock, Sadock, and Ruiz (2015), anxiety is a diffuse, unpleasant, vague sense of apprehension It is often a response to an imprecise or unknown threat. For example, imagine you’re walking down a dark street. You may feel a little uneasy and perhaps you have a few butterflies in your stomach. These sensations are caused by anxiety that is related to the possibility that a stranger may jump out from behind a bush, or approach you in some other way, and harm you. This anxiety is not the result of a known or specific threat. Rather it comes from your mind’s vision of the possible dangers that may result in the situation. Anxiety is often accompanied by many uncomfortable somatic sensations. Some of the most common physical symptoms of anxiety include: headaches muscle pain and tensionsleep disturbances tightness felt throughout the body, especially in the head, neck, jaw and face chest pain ringing or pulsing in ears excessive sweating shaking and trembling cold chills or hot flushes accelerated heart rate numbness or tingling depersonalization and derealization upset stomach or nausea shortness of breath feelng like you are going insane dizziness or feeling faint Fear Fear is an emotional response to a known or definite threat. Using the scenario above, let’s say you’re walking down a dark street and someone points a gun at you and says, This is a stick up. This would likely elicit a response of fear. The danger is real, definite and immediate. There is a clear and present object of fear. Although the focus of the response is different (real vs. imagined danger), fear and anxiety are interrelated. When faced with fear, most people with experience the physical reactions that are described under anxiety. Fear causes anxiety, and anxiety can cause fear.But, the subtle distinctions between the two will give you a better understanding of your symptoms and may be important for treatment strategies. Being in touch with your feelings allows you to face fear, for example. Anxiety is harder to face since it cannot be defined. Remember also that addictions are a mal-adaptive response to stresEssentially, knowing the feelings specifically helps one to face them rather than self medicate them. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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Stile Member (Idle past 345 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Phat writes: Day 86 as I type this. Go Phat, go!! You can do it!!!
I am involved in group therapy as well as working with a licensed addictions counselor. Keep your head on your shoulders for the group therapy.Having others around who also want to heal, and are around the same stage as you can be a powerful agent to help you in your journey. Then again,Having others around who may not be as strong as you can be a powerful agent to slipping back into trouble. Group therapy has it's good parts and bad parts.Just try to keep your head up and remained focused and do your thing and you should be fine! Anxiety is harder to face since it cannot be defined. Yup. It's a tough one.Hopefully your counselor has some good advice. Pretty much any advice dealing with controlling instincts is easier said than done.Hopefully you can find something that resonates and motivates you. For me, it's something along the lines of what they say in the Dune book series - "Fear is the mind-killer."That is, when you're in trouble... the way to give yourself the best-chance to deal with it is to have a clear mind so you can think and make conscious decisions and avoid panic. Fear leads directly to panic, which is reacting instinctively and removing your mind (your best-chance to survive) from the equation. Instincts give you *a* chance to survive the situation.Your mind (thinking and making conscious decisions) gives you your *best* chance to survive the situation. Good luck!
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ringo Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So you're afraid of falling back into addiction because you know about the consequences. Are you anxious too?
Being in touch with your feelings allows you to face fear, for example. Anxiety is harder to face since it cannot be defined.
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
No. I am anxious when addicted. I am fearful when sober.
Perhaps knowing that it is a concrete emotion I am facing helps me to stay sober.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1706 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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step by step, my friend.
do you have another interest to devote your energy to? a place to "blow off steam?" Exercise can generate endorphins and these can make you feel good about yourself. We joined a gym, and I find it gives me more positive attitude the rest of the day. Side effects: you get healthier ... Enjoy by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Good morning, RAZD! Exercise is very important to me, as I have Type II Diabetes and my feet are growing numb and insensitive. Recovery has given me a much clearer picture of reality, duty, and priority.
My counselor asked me to meditate on the following question:
quote: When one hears a word such as cost one immediately thinks in terms of money.And it is true that I have spent a lot of money. A conservative estimate would be that over the course of 33 years that I have gambled, I spent close to $138,000.00. This is only one facet of cost, however. Gambling--more specifically an addicted brain, cost me in other ways. Perhaps my counselor wanted me to understand just how damaging my addiction was to me. On a positive note, I am exercising more, getting out more and reuniting with old friends as well as making new ones, and even posting at EvC more...if that counts! Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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