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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16112 Joined: |
A topic for the "Is It Science" section, obviously.
I thought I'd seen every mistake geocentrists can make, but there's a new one that's been getting a bit of traction on the internet lately. I hereby dub it the Headwind Blunder. It takes just as long to travel 100 miles by air due east of Oslo, Norway (traveling at a set air speed) as it does to travel 100 miles by air due west, at the same air speed and altitude, if it is a calm day without wind. And, what is more, that is the same length of time it takes to travel 100 miles due east or due west of Quito, Ecuador on a wind-free day, given the same altitude and air speed! Can you all spot the mistake? Answer in my next post ... Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 1048 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
Thread copied here from the New Geocentrist Blunder thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Coragyps Member Posts: 5548 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Holy crap! That took a pretty dense person to write that. Air "moving as fast as the part of the Earth it's next to" is almost by definition not moving 519 mph relative to the part of the Earth it's next to. Eek!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 851 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Geocentrists are not known for their scientific acumen...
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3834 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: |
In a sense, that would be true relative to a fixed, external to the Earth reference point (considering only the Earth's rotations speed, and I'm assuming his numbers are correct). Fortunately, it's relative to an Earth bound reference point he needs to be moving, and the Earth's surface is moving 519 mph east (relative to that same fixed, external to the Earth reference point). Moose
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Theodoric Member (Idle past 64 days) Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
That's why it is so windy and hard to breathe on a plane.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16112 Joined: |
Yup, Minnemooseus gets the cigar. The geocentrist is, up to a point, perfectly right. The pilot is heading into a 500 mph headwind, and therefore does, in fact, stay in the same place. So far, so good. But meanwhile Oslo is headed east at 500 mph.
To put it another way, the geocentrist's attempt to model what would happen if the Earth was rotating is vitiated by overlooking one crucial factor ... the rotation of the Earth. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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William Rea Junior Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 12 Joined:
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This YouTube contributor has made a series on Geocentrism...
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Tangle Member Posts: 8044 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
I struggled with this for a while because a helicopter can hover over a fixed point on earth without requiring any lateral movement - even at the equator - and inuitively that's wrong.
I think the trick is to understand that because of friction between the earth and the earth's atmosphere, the air is itself spinning at the same speed as earth, so everything including the helicopter is travelling at the same speed even when apparently stationary in the air. Once outside the earth's atmosphere an object would need its own lateral movement to 'hover' above a fixed point on earth. I assume satellites achieve geostationary orbit by using gravity effects from earth sun and moon and maybe a kick now and then from its own power? Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 150 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
And I suppose he has no explanation for the wind patterns on the earth ... or the bands on Jupiter ... Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : added jupiter Edited by RAZD, : subt by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Yeah, I didn't realize that bees could fly so fast, but I had one in my car that was flying at no less than 70 miles per hour.
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ringo Member Posts: 18854 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
That's nothing. Bees have been on the space shuttle.
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jar Member Posts: 33104 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
quote: Yeah but they have to fly over 60,000 MPH just to keep up with the Earth as it revolves around the Sun. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5496 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
And with the rotation some of that flying is backwards, and sideways. Damn, they're good.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8044 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
I'm guessing they don't look quite so smart in zero gravity.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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