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Author Topic:   Atheists can't hold office in the USA?
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Message 45 of 777 (747394)
01-15-2015 6:09 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Tangle
01-15-2015 5:49 AM


Reppin Atheists
Tangle writes:
As for my history, I'm also genuinely puzzled why a modern Western democracy, for which I have otherwise great respect, has such a high proportion of it's population holding primitive religious views (and such a destructive gun culture). It's a canundrum which, when pointed out by an outsider, gets these kind of reactions.
I would argue that religious views are not by default primitive.
Tangle writes:
Well I had to look it up but they're all southern bible belt states and mostly adjacent to each other. What they appear to have in common is that they answer the question
"How important is religion in your life?" as very high. Mississippi answering at 82% for example. (wow!)
So I guess that's why the laws haven't been repealed.
Though I am religious, I agree that the laws should be stricken from the books. We should be all about freedom rather than mandatory conformity,IMHO.
A question. Do you see yourself representing basic human rights or do you feel victimized as an atheist?

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If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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Message 174 of 777 (748210)
01-23-2015 3:00 PM
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01-23-2015 2:01 PM


Re: agnostic anyone?
Tangle writes:
An atheist does not believe in ANY gods, capitalised or lower case, definite article or not, singular or plural. YHWH or Neptune. How can a atheist be otherwise????
True.
I would love to know how an atheist can believe in god. Or God. Or Gods or gods. Or the god. Or a God. How???
By changing ones belief.
You may see it as impossible. Quite likely it is impossible based on how you think,believe, and perceive reality now.
It would require an action so serious as to cause you to re-examine your belief.

Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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Message 196 of 777 (748360)
01-25-2015 9:26 AM
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01-25-2015 8:49 AM


To Know Or Not
Tangle writes:
It's a plain assertion; confusing knowledge with belief - conflating science with an emotion. To say that you can't know if you believe or not is, obvious, tosh. Just ask Faith.
So by this you mean that we either know we believe or know we don't believe in_______________?
  • For some, evidence is the prerequisite to belief. They would assert that without evidence we surely must know that there is no substance to test.
  • For others, subjective evidence (or what they would claim to be evidence) has convinced them of the validity of their belief.

    Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
    It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
    If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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    Message 253 of 777 (748677)
    01-28-2015 2:06 AM
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    01-28-2015 1:33 AM


    Re: Example/variation on example
    I think im the last one...not a Biblical Creationist yet I am a Cosmological Creationist and am a Theistic Evolutionist in regards to this planet

    Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
    It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
    If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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    Message 474 of 777 (749860)
    02-09-2015 4:03 PM


    http://xkcd.com/386/Comic

    Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
    It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
    If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

      
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    Message 475 of 777 (749861)
    02-09-2015 4:04 PM


    http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

    Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
    It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
    If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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    Message 555 of 777 (750494)
    02-16-2015 5:19 PM
    Reply to: Message 554 by New Cat's Eye
    02-16-2015 2:35 PM


    What Bugs Me About Atheist Activists
    This is what bugs me about atheists. They whine about any mention of God in a secular setting even if they dont believe God exists. Notice how a speaker could say "May the force be with you" or "may the universe favor you" or any number of other things without provoking a reaction...so why the big deal about God?
    The incident I refer to is this one:
    quote:
    YULEE, Fla. -- In Nassau County, where God, Country, and family come first, many are upset with a decision to stop a Yulee High student from mentioning God during his morning announcements.
    The Yulee High student ended his announcements with "God Bless America," which according to Nassau County Schools, was not supposed to be part of the script.
    "We have been getting calls all day," said the school receptionist.
    Amy Richmond has a child in Yulee High; she is not pleased with the decision.
    "Why is it not okay for a student to say God Bless America," said Richmond.
    It wasn't a problem until two students, who are atheists, complained to the American Humanist Association.
    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

    Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
    It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
    If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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    Message 557 of 777 (750497)
    02-16-2015 8:12 PM
    Reply to: Message 556 by Asgara
    02-16-2015 7:16 PM


    Re: What Bugs Me About Atheist Activists
    True, I suppose. Legally, the complainers had a point. My gripe is that they found it so necessary to complain when it appeared everyone else had no problem with it.

    Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
    It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
    If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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    Message 559 of 777 (750501)
    02-16-2015 9:36 PM
    Reply to: Message 558 by AZPaul3
    02-16-2015 9:00 PM


    Re: What Bugs Me About Atheist Activists
    I suppose that is true. I guess in all honesty I've never tried to see the whole big picture in terms of Privilege.
    I don't think it spells the end of religion, but I DO think that religious views will someday be highly unfavorable to a majority of people.

    Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
    It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
    If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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