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Message 58 of 777 (747506)
01-15-2015 2:48 PM
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01-15-2015 5:49 AM


Bothwell was threatened with legal action but it never happened. He seems like an interesting bloke.
If the archaic law were not on the books, some other pretext would have been used to make a fuss.
Politics as usual in the USA.

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Message 76 of 777 (747717)
01-18-2015 8:06 PM
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01-18-2015 5:55 PM


Re: agnostic anyone?
I threw that in in order to show what the anti-atheists think about agnosticism. To them, an agnostic is the same thing as an atheist.
Well, sure. But they also see "liberal Christian" as just another name for "atheist".

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Message 99 of 777 (747813)
01-20-2015 12:43 AM
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01-19-2015 1:30 PM


Re: agnostic anyone?
An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in god. A theist is someone who does believe in god.
And what about those of us who think that "God" is a muddled concept? And what about those of us who think that the concept of belief is muddled?

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Message 146 of 777 (748067)
01-22-2015 11:51 AM
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01-22-2015 9:21 AM


Re: agnostic anyone?
It's rather surprising that there is so much resistence to call a spade a spade.
I'll paraphrase something that I read a long time ago. I don't remember who it was originally about.
Tangle is the kind of person who calls a spade a spade. And if he sees a shovel and doesn't know the difference, he will call that a spade, too.

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Message 190 of 777 (748334)
01-24-2015 6:58 PM
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01-24-2015 4:54 AM


Re: The Foundation of the Rights of Man
If you will not sign this then I do not believe you should hold elective office in the United States.
I will not sign that, because I believe that I do not have the right to declare the independence of the original thirteen states. For one thing, I was born far too recently to have that right. And, secondly, I do not live in any of those thirteen states.
Would you care to explain why that should disqualify me from holding public office?

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Message 235 of 777 (748538)
01-26-2015 3:50 PM
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01-26-2015 2:59 PM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
I don't suppose for a second or two, that you might wonder whether you've have missed the point of the discussion?
There was a point?

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Message 360 of 777 (749133)
02-02-2015 12:26 PM
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02-02-2015 2:58 AM


Re: Know Thyself
Obviously. I'm not arguing about how most people use the words. I'm saying that they're fooling themselves.
Here we learn that Tangle is an atheist who thinks that words have a God given meaning.

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Message 380 of 777 (749239)
02-03-2015 11:26 AM
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02-03-2015 11:14 AM


Re: Know Thyself
Am I an a-axemurdererinmyhouse-ist?
There's no such word.
Am I an a-leprechaunundermybed-ist?
There's no such word.
You, and several others, are attempting to use logic.
Natural language is a cultural practice, not a logic calculus.

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Message 639 of 777 (750701)
02-20-2015 11:37 PM
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02-20-2015 9:12 PM


Re: black and white ... and a drop grey
Well, it can be truly maddening to try to state extremely simple and obvious self-evident facts to someone completely unable unwilling to comprehend any of it.
Fixed that for you.

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Message 675 of 777 (750892)
02-24-2015 12:04 AM
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02-23-2015 5:20 PM


Re: and ANOTHER opportunity for Tangle to review his position ...
has the benefit of being philosophically consistent as applied to non-belief in most things most people don't believe in e) is true to etymological roots of language.
Why would there be a problem for someone being an atheist when in philosophic discussion, but an agnostic in ordinary life?
And whatever happened to the idea that philosophic discussion was supposed to be ordinary language philosophy?
I'll note that this topic is in the Coffee House, which seems to be a place for ordinary language rather than for philosophical purity.

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Message 700 of 777 (750956)
02-24-2015 4:41 PM
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02-24-2015 2:22 AM


Re: and ANOTHER opportunity for Tangle to review his position ...
Because it's intellectually dishonest.
To the contrary, it is being completely honest. Words are being used in a way that is appropriate to the context of the discussion.

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Message 746 of 777 (751630)
03-04-2015 1:34 PM
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03-04-2015 9:44 AM


Re: What, again Tangle?
And yet you promote yourself as a Deist not an agnostic.
I never took RAZD's deism as more than being different. In any case, deism is just atheism with a few more words allowed into the vocabulary.

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