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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Bothwell was threatened with legal action but it never happened. He seems like an interesting bloke. If the archaic law were not on the books, some other pretext would have been used to make a fuss. Politics as usual in the USA.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I threw that in in order to show what the anti-atheists think about agnosticism. To them, an agnostic is the same thing as an atheist. Well, sure. But they also see "liberal Christian" as just another name for "atheist".Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in god. A theist is someone who does believe in god.
And what about those of us who think that "God" is a muddled concept? And what about those of us who think that the concept of belief is muddled?Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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It's rather surprising that there is so much resistence to call a spade a spade.
I'll paraphrase something that I read a long time ago. I don't remember who it was originally about.
Tangle is the kind of person who calls a spade a spade. And if he sees a shovel and doesn't know the difference, he will call that a spade, too.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
If you will not sign this then I do not believe you should hold elective office in the United States.
I will not sign that, because I believe that I do not have the right to declare the independence of the original thirteen states. For one thing, I was born far too recently to have that right. And, secondly, I do not live in any of those thirteen states. Would you care to explain why that should disqualify me from holding public office?Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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I don't suppose for a second or two, that you might wonder whether you've have missed the point of the discussion? There was a point?Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Obviously. I'm not arguing about how most people use the words. I'm saying that they're fooling themselves.
Here we learn that Tangle is an atheist who thinks that words have a God given meaning.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Am I an a-axemurdererinmyhouse-ist?
There's no such word.
Am I an a-leprechaunundermybed-ist?
There's no such word. You, and several others, are attempting to use logic. Natural language is a cultural practice, not a logic calculus.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Well, it can be truly maddening to try to state extremely simple and obvious self-evident facts to someone completely
Fixed that for you.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
has the benefit of being philosophically consistent as applied to non-belief in most things most people don't believe in e) is true to etymological roots of language.
Why would there be a problem for someone being an atheist when in philosophic discussion, but an agnostic in ordinary life? And whatever happened to the idea that philosophic discussion was supposed to be ordinary language philosophy? I'll note that this topic is in the Coffee House, which seems to be a place for ordinary language rather than for philosophical purity.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Because it's intellectually dishonest.
To the contrary, it is being completely honest. Words are being used in a way that is appropriate to the context of the discussion.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
And yet you promote yourself as a Deist not an agnostic.
I never took RAZD's deism as more than being different. In any case, deism is just atheism with a few more words allowed into the vocabulary.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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