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Faith 
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Message 241 of 289 (748980)
02-01-2015 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by NoNukes
02-01-2015 1:46 AM


One might possibly make the argument that Chris did not intend the pro-homosexual parts of his Harvard comments to stick to Kurschner, but that would be an extremely charitable reading of Pinto's words

I heard it the charitable way, NN, because Pinto didn't have any reason to think of Kurschner as homosexual and he knew that James White, with whom Kurschner was associated, denounced gay marriage and gay rights. I heard it as simply Chris' questioning an orthodox Christian's seeking an education at the very liberal Harvard School of Divinity which is known for its teaching that homosexuality doesn't violate Christianity.

Now it turns out that Kurschner has revealed himself to be gay, which explains the whole thing, but all Pinto was doing before that was known was questioning the wisdom of seeking an education in textual criticism at such a liberal institution, which would of course also include the teaching that homosexuality doesn't violate the Bible.

I heard that program when it first aired and didn't find anything out of order in Chris' comments. Objecting to an education at Harvard Divinity School should be expected of a conservative Christian like Pinto, and in my opinion rightly raise questions about the conservative Christianity of anyone who would seek it out.

As for the Catholic connection, it was Theodoric who raised this issue as if it discredits Pinto, because of my being inspired by Pinto's research, which I find very thorough and careful. My only problem with it is that most of it comes in the form of his films and radio shows so that leaves me with the job of taking notes and organizing the material for my own purposes, as well as checking out his sources.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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NoNukes
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Message 242 of 289 (749031)
02-01-2015 9:40 AM
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02-01-2015 2:19 AM


I heard it the charitable way, NN, because Pinto didn't have any reason to think of Kurschner as homosexual and he knew that James White, with whom Kurschner was associated, denounced gay marriage and gay rights.

The point is Faith, that we can all hear exactly what Chris said. And anyone doing so will find it impossible to take what Chris said in the way you claimed.

I heard that program when it first aired and didn't find anything out of order in Chris' comments.

No surprise there. In any event, reader's have an opportunity to make their own call.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Je Suis Charlie

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Faith 
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Message 243 of 289 (749207)
02-02-2015 11:35 PM
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02-01-2015 9:40 AM


My way of hearing it seems open and shut to me, any other way involving reading something into it that isn't there.

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NoNukes
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Message 244 of 289 (749209)
02-03-2015 12:04 AM
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02-02-2015 11:35 PM


My way of hearing it seems open and shut to me, any other way involving reading something into it that isn't there.

Faith, I didn't expect you to change your mind. Nothing can do that. What Pinto said is perfectly acceptable and appropriate to people who form their opinions in the way that you do. The point to providing the link was to allow others an opportunity to reach their own conclusions.


Je Suis Charlie

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Faith 
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Message 245 of 289 (749211)
02-03-2015 12:09 AM
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02-03-2015 12:04 AM


I still say what I said: If they reach any other conclusion than I did they are reading something into it that isn't there.

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Message 246 of 289 (749212)
02-03-2015 3:10 AM
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02-03-2015 12:09 AM


I still say what I said: If they reach any other conclusion than I did they are reading something into it that isn't there.

Of course you do. But that's just a bit of the great Faith introspection (or lack thereof) we've all come to expect.


Je Suis Charlie

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Faith 
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Message 247 of 289 (749213)
02-03-2015 3:59 AM
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02-03-2015 3:10 AM


Couldn't be because I'm right, I suppose. No, that's too much to ask. Your opinion must be the right one. Of course. It's my lack of introspection that makes me blind to it. Got it. And we'll overlook the ad hominem too.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Larni
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Message 248 of 289 (749214)
02-03-2015 4:45 AM
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02-03-2015 3:59 AM


Faith, you are not saying you may be right, you are saying that anyone who does not agree with is you is wrong.

Arrogant much?


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Faith 
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Message 249 of 289 (749215)
02-03-2015 5:00 AM
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02-03-2015 4:45 AM


Well, if I'm right then they are wrong. Way it goes Larn.

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Larni
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Message 250 of 289 (749220)
02-03-2015 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by Faith
02-03-2015 5:00 AM


Faith you implied that NoNuke denied the possibility that you could be right and that that was unfair.

I showed how you denied the possibility that you could be wrong.

Do you understand?


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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ringo
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Message 251 of 289 (749245)
02-03-2015 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 247 by Faith
02-03-2015 3:59 AM


Faith writes:

Couldn't be because I'm right, I suppose.


That would set a precedent.

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NoNukes
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Message 252 of 289 (749267)
02-03-2015 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by Faith
02-03-2015 3:59 AM


Your opinion must be the right one.

Well, no. That's why I am recommending people listen for themselves.

Couldn't be because I'm right, I suppose. No, that's too much to ask.

Right or wrong, you never acknowledge any other reading but your own. You never seem able to even envision another person's opinion having the slightest basis in reality.

No, I'm not like that.


Je Suis Charlie

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Faith 
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Message 253 of 289 (749268)
02-03-2015 1:57 PM
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02-03-2015 1:53 PM


But you're talking about Chris Pinto, NN, someone I've been following for two or three years now, so my opinion about what he means in a particular instance ought to count for something over that of people who have an axe to grind against his conservative Christianity and don't know him at all. To impute to him an accusation against Kurschner that he didn't even have the knowledge to make at the time is ridiculous. Yes I'm right and they are wrong.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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NoNukes
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Message 254 of 289 (749293)
02-03-2015 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by Faith
02-03-2015 1:57 PM


To impute to him an accusation against Kurschner that he didn't even have the knowledge to make at the time is ridiculous.

Sigh. The entire point is that Chris made an unfounded and ridiculous implication and that such was the purpose of his Harvard rant. No 'knowledge' was necessary for such buffoonery.

Yes I'm right and they are wrong.

Sure. Just like always.


Je Suis Charlie

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 255 of 289 (749296)
02-03-2015 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Faith
02-01-2015 2:19 AM


Now it turns out that Kurschner has revealed himself to be gay

When did this occur? I cannot find any references to such a thing anywhere online.


Je Suis Charlie

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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