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Tempe 12ft Chicken
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Message 5 of 466 (748176)
01-23-2015 11:05 AM


Colts' footballs were not under-inflated
Well, it already has been checked according to league sources and the balls for the Colts were at the proper pressure, so the decrease in temperature is most likely not the culprit in this scenario.
ESPN's Chris Mortenson writes:
All of the balls the Colts used met standards, according to the report.
That being said, the lower inflation should have been noticed by the referees during gameplay, especially considering that it was 11 of the 12 Patriots' balls according to the report and the referee picks the ball up after every single play.
Source

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Tempe 12ft Chicken
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Message 27 of 466 (748622)
01-27-2015 12:54 PM


Wilson, The Football company disagrees
According to representatives from Wilson, the company responsible for all of the footballs used in the NFL, Belichick's explanation is BS and doesn't factor in the bladders that each football contains, which do not let air escape them unless there is a defect in the bladder.
Source: Belichick full of hot air
Jim Jenkins, Wilson Representative writes:
different environments might cause the PSI inside the ball to change,but "maybe in a year or two." To cause the pressure to change more quickly, Jenkins suggested a ball would have to be placed in a freezer, then thawed.
So, who do you think would have run more experiments on the air contained within footballs, Belichick with his experiments he only ran recently, or the company that has made the footballs for the NFL for the past 70 years?
Another scientist has come out stating that Belichick's experiments are not correct also, a man named Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
NdGT writes:
For the Patriots to blame a change in temperature for 15% lower-pressures, requires balls to be inflated with 125-degree air.
Source
So, scientists don't appear to be agreeing on whether or not this much change can occur from temperature differential. I'd like to see one of them actually run the calculations, which it appears Neil may have done, especially returning a specific initial temperature, but sadly Twitter doesn't allow room for equations in its 155 character limit. I'll see if I can find his calculation somewhere.

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. - Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. - Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing! What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. - Robin Williams

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Tempe 12ft Chicken
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Message 29 of 466 (748628)
01-27-2015 1:26 PM


So, in addition to Neil DeGrasse Tyson, there are also scientists coming out in support of Belichick's answer to the problem. While these scientists are all employed in the Boston area, that is not a guarantee of bias, just like Bill Nye being from Seattle is a guarantee of his bias in saying Belichick is wrong. According to these scientists:
Felice Freyer writes:
Mahadevan estimated that a drop from 80 degrees to 53 degrees would cause the pressure to fall from 12.5 to 11.9 pounds per square inch.
Not quite the 2 pounds per square inch, but he also used the ideal gas-law equation which does miss some tiny real world factors that could affect the outcome.
Source
Also, there is some complaints I have found about Neil DeGrasse Tyson's calculations, claiming he was confusing gauge pressure and absolute pressure. However, he still returns an answer that the air used to fill the balls must be around 90 degrees to get the requisite 2 lbs drop in pressure. Rather, if only temperature and rubbing the balls down, there would have been an observed pressure decrease of 1.2 lbs, still shy of the required 2lbs.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson Bungles Science on Deflategate
Some Thoughts on Deflate-Gate, showing his work too!
So, while they deny NdGT's answer, they do agree that the ideal gas law is not quite enough to explain the discrepancy. Also, if the balls were tested inside, in the same location they were initially tested, they would be heating up again being inside and regain the pressure they originally had, with the exception of if they lost some air molecules (which Wilson said would require defective bladders on 11 out of 12).

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. - Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. - Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing! What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. - Robin Williams

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Tempe 12ft Chicken
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Message 33 of 466 (748632)
01-27-2015 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Percy
01-27-2015 2:10 PM


Re: Science Takes the Stage
Percy writes:
And you can bounce a football in such a way? Again, impressive
It appears that as long as you know where to contact the ball into the ground, you can dribble a football as well.
NFL Football Dribble
Edited by Tempe 12ft Chicken, : No reason given.

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. - Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. - Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing! What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. - Robin Williams

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