Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

Well, that's a stunning admission. Yes, he's a fascist and, yes, he is a dangerously unstable human being who everyone should be terrified of to have control over a nuclear arsenal. I can imagine anyone thinking he'd be a good presidential candidate except for an extreme fringe of the rightwing.

Presidential polling is pure bullshit.And if my choices are Clinton or Trump, I choose armed revolution.

I was kidding about the armed revolution, but I was serious about polling. And please note that I was referring to popularity polls, not balloting. Polling is manipulative. Imagine how different voting would be without it creating self-fulfilling prophecies. Polling clearly influences people like some crazy herd instinct. What other people think about a candidate is irrelevant to what you think about them and their proposals. There's no way Trump would be where he is had no polls been conducted. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

Yeah, it's like choosing between Syphilis and Gonorrhea. She's incredibly hawkish. She only bloviated about Iraq to get in step with her party, but she voted in favor of it. She tried to use double-speak to get out from under it, but no one is buying it.

Wow, what a piece of shit. She tries deflect how dysfunctional her own family is (while preaching good 'ole fashioned family values from the pulpit) by throwing Obama under the bus. Cheap, lowly political ploy.

She's about as likeable as a rabid honey badger. Yes, she should have given up, but if you know anything about her, her whole life is about this moment. Her "marriage" to Bill was a political alliance, not a genuine marriage. It's an understanding they both have and serves as an expedient to getting what they want. I think she has terrible, heavy-handed policies. She's barely reminiscent of a Democrat because she's so hawkish.The bottom line is that she comes across as shrewd, manipulative, and a liar who would stab you in the back if it benefitted her in some way.

Perhaps he was performing self-surgery and his fell out

I agree, and when she tries it seems very forced and unnatural for her

I guess he still thinks the Bush dynasty is still relevant. It isn't. Rand Paul and Marco Rubio seemed like the only one's that, as you said, aren't completely bonkers (not that I'm a fan of either). But as good of a debater and clear talent he has for politics, I can't get behind a lot of his policies.I would like to see Rubio/Sanders, because at least these are the lesser of evils for me. Really don't know who I'd vote for at this point, because I identify as socially liberal (Sanders), but fiscally conservative (Rubio).I'm truly the swing vote independent at this point.Of course, there is the possibility that a decent libertarian might still throw their hat in to the ring, in which case, I will "throw my vote away" in their direction.

Among liberals and progressives, I don't see much support for her. Almost every media outlet that leans to the left seems to be far more in support of Sanders than Clinton. There's only one or two publications that seem to openly support her, so who are the rest of these people?Hawkish democrats? Overt feminists? Who else would support her over Bernie? I have no doubt that most Republicans would actually prefer her over Bernie, but they aren't supporting her because they are running their own primaries.So who is left?Either her fan base is not being accurately reflected in the media/polls or someone is manipulating the numbers to create the appearance of doing well, thus creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

The problem with polls is that they manipulate how people behave based on perceived support. I'd wager that if all polling was blind, Trump would be about where he was during the 2012 campaign... damn near dead last. He's only bolstered by the polls increasing so that more and more people go in his direction.The media and polls manufacture these results; which is the unintended (or perhaps intended) consequence of it. I wish nobody would pay attention to polls because they are irrelevant to who you think which candidate would best serve as president.And to prove my point, a poll conducted on this very topic indicated that 67% of people agreed with me

While I also understand why he felt as though he has to hide his support, I still have no respect for any candidate who conceals such things just to remain popular. Who gives a shit? No matter what you do, somebody is going to take exception to it, so you might as well stand up for your actual beliefs.Ron Paul never sold out on his principles, and although I disagree with a great many issues with Bernie, at least he comes across as honest and principled; something that has been desperately lacking in the White House for decades. That goes a long way with me. Hillary is a walking, talking lie. You can't trust her on ANY topic. It's politicking, pandering bullshit. She can't even say "hello" on television without it first having been scripted down to the punctuation.Hell, a lot of people like Trump because he has no political correctness filter which pretty much is the polar opposite of conventional wisdom when it comes to politics. I think he's reprehensible, but at least you're getting an honest answer versus Ted Cruz who would tell you anything just to get your vote.I don't know. I don't like sellouts or liars. If that's your thing, then Hillary is definitely your gal.

Then how do you ever expect anything to change by keeping up appearances with the status quo?

True, but I seem to recall quite a few black supremacists voting for Obama and even resorting to voter intimidation. All things being equal, I hope your condemnation and scorn for such things was the same as it is with white supremacists voting for Trump. A lot of people aren't buying my theory on Ted Cruz, but I think he is gay as fuck... obviously, if so, a self-loathing homosexual. And Hillary, well, c'mon...

Claiming that Mexicans are rapists, with the provision that he assumes some are good people, or banning all Muslims in to a country is pretty close to overt racism, Faith.It's really pointless to try and defend someone so transparent.