Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

There is nothing stupid about the electoral college system, it's the only thing that preserves the integrity of the individual states that we have left; otherwise the low population states would just be swallowed up completely in the federal behemoth.

Of course you're very conveniently ignoring the point he was making about the distinction between the roles of the legislature versus the court, the legitimate roles being lawmaking versus interpretation, so that if the court instead makes laws, which is what they've been doing for decades under the guise of interpretation, NOBODY has to obey them.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I got skeptical of the usual complaints about Cleon Skousen and actually read his book. There is such a thing as conspiracy and he made the case.

I had to go back and add that you missed the POINT of his distinction, I know you didn't miss the distinction. The problem is that the judiciary is VIOLATING the principle of checks and balances when it makes laws.ABE: You mention case law and I'm sorry I'm not more up on this but I have some memory of case law's being a recent imposition on the practice of Law, rendering it dependent on the whims of the last judge to rule on a case rather than on abiding absolute principles of justice. Not my idea of the ideal way to arrive at justice.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I had something more like early twentieth century in mind, but as I said I'm not up on it so I'll see what I can find out to remind me.

Very interesting, thank you. Makes me wonder if perhaps somewhere between Henry II and Blackstone something changed in the concept of Law, and then perhaps changed back in the early 20th century. Just wondering.

Very informative, thanks.

Sad to see the exact wrong reason given for the destruction of America. I certainly agree the nation is in a pitiful condition and headed for worse, but I trace it to the concerted attacks on the Christian influences in this country going back at least half a century but farther back than that really.It was our Christian heritage that brought us to the status of a world power AND brought our scientific superiority too, brought us great blessings in every department of life. You think that is bringing us down? But it hardly even exists any more thanks to liberal and atheist attacks on it, in the name of a twisted idea of "equality" and "freedom" and "reason" and whatnot. All the stuff we hear from you guys at EvC every day.Life is lived by the majority now as if God's Laws don't count, and officially He's been kicked out of public life more and more. People are called bigots who want us to live by His Laws. Removing the Ten Commandments from public display, wow. That ought to tell God what we think of Him. Poverty and ignorance are bound to be the result because we have come under God's judgments and they don't stop until they've destroyed a nation that lives against His laws. Economic collapse, foreigners taking over, those are just two of the curses a nation comes under according to Deuteronomy 9 and Leviticus 26. It's coming, not here yet in full force. Yes we were that brightest chance while we still acknowledged God. The anti-God forces have won and blown out the flame. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So goes the Big Sad Mistake.

"My" doctrine used to be the foundation of this nation, it was the reason for our great success and prosperity and benevolence toward the rest of the world. It was in fact the inspiration for the liberties you now claim and impute to other sources while imputing their loss to me and my doctrines. There could be nothing more upside down and depressing than this. And we're already experiencing God's judgment for it. Behind Europe as usual, but I'd like to get even further behind myself.And I'm not particularly defending the conservatives in this country. I don't think they know what they are doing, and most of the time they support the exact opposite of what they should be supporting.

What is your point? I'm saying the nation is now under God's judgment because we've abandoned Him and this is your response?

Put "liberty" in any Bible search feature. Here's the most pertinent: Christianity is against whatever binds the conscience.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No Christian "bad mouths" anyone who doesn't live by God's Law. Those are called "sinners," ya know, the ones Christ died for, which includes me and all Christians.What I'm talking about is a NATION's acknowledgement of God, not any individual's lilfestyle. This nation as a whole used to honor God. Yes, even by the public display of the Ten Commandments, which are after all a pretty universal set of laws. The liberal laws that were based on His Law have now been turned against Him.Since we've given up on God's Law we've come under God's judgment. It starts with His letting us get worse in denying Him and His Law, then it will end in the complete dissolution of the nation, its possession by foreigners or destruction by natural disaster or other methods.

When I say "foundation" I'm not thinking particularly of the Founders but something more like the "spirit" of the nation, which was Christian to the core. Christianity was the spirit of the colonies and well over 95% of the population, and it couldn't be avoided even by the Deist Founders themselves, who had been steeped in the Bible even though they rejected this or that part of it. They were all committed to the morality of the Bible, God's Law, and thought a nation's people had to be grounded in that morality for the nation to be successful. They authored the First Amendment AND the religious ceremonies that were to open Congress showing that there is no violation of church and state in such practices in THEIR minds. They supported the printing of Bibles for use in the schools. It was Benjamin Franklin who advised the Continental Congress to open with prayer if they wanted a successful outcome to their business over which they had been wrangling, and he was no Christian. It's not clear what was done in response, but he DID propose it, even according to this report which calls the story a "myth" and then gives evidence that it was a fact: The Franklin Prayer Myth{I find it interesting that Franklin mentions the Congress' research into ancient forms of government in search of a model for the American, as including governments that had the seeds of their own dissolution in their founding. Seems to me ours did too, the way alien philosophies have been co-opting it for decades now.}That Christian spirit, compromised though it was in the Founders, is what we have lost and what is under assault daily now, which is going to bring the nation down to total ruin if God doesn't have mercy on us. And I don't see why He should.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You haven't read much of them, obviously.They were, however, sufficiently out of tune with the majority of Americans at the time to be considered traitors to their Christian principles and to the inspiration of the original colonies, and there were some who saw it that way, who considered the Constitution to be a violation of the Christian spirit of the nation, and for years there was a call to add a Christian preamble to it. There is enough affirmation of the Bible in the Founder's writings to mitigate the betrayal, somewhat anyway --- Adams was a Unitarian who accepted the teachings of Christ though not His deity, Jefferson was a Deist but liked the nonsupernatural parts of the Bible, Washington's pastor called him a Deist and he refused to take communion with the church, Franklin called for prayer in Congress despite being known as an Enlightenment man, Paine was an atheist who wrote Common Sense just to fan the flames of revolution, but in doing so showed his grasp of Biblical principles. Patrick Henry was a genuine Christian and so was Madison, and many others of that generation. But when I think of where we're headed now I agree with you to the extent that I think of those seeds of the nation's dissolution that THEY planted at the very founding, destruction by God's judgment and I have to think we deserve it. It's coming in any case. Well, really it's already here. The original spirit of the nation WAS Christian but they betrayed it and now we have the fruits of their betrayal. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.