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vimesey
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Message 1621 of 1639 (788861)
08-06-2016 4:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1620 by frako
08-06-2016 3:38 AM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
I rather suspect that respect for the voice of the people was not at the absolute apex of Putin's thought process when he decided to annex the Crimea.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 1622 of 1639 (788862)
08-06-2016 4:35 AM
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08-06-2016 4:20 AM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
Well russia and Ukraine had the same problem with Crimea as Slovenija and Croatia have with Istra. While we have been involved in legal battles for 20 years, and now an EU arbiter court to determine the fate of istra. He took the simpler route and just took it back, knowing that crimeans would be happy about it.

and yes he thought about how crime-ans would react, because there woul be no other way to hold Crimea without going to war if the people did not agree.

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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vimesey
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Message 1623 of 1639 (788864)
08-06-2016 4:44 AM
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08-06-2016 4:35 AM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
The majority of Crimeans, no doubt. I don't believe that was why he did it however. I believe the referendum made the decision to annex easier to justify, rather than motivated it. For that reason, I think that the annexure remains a very dangerous international precedent.

Frustrating and lengthy as your process has no doubt been in relation to Istra, it remains infinitely preferable to finding reasons to invade somewhere. They're capable of being found with depressing ease.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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frako
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Message 1624 of 1639 (788874)
08-06-2016 8:24 AM
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08-06-2016 4:44 AM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
Yea ofcourse it was motivated by a cue that that shifted Ukrajine from prefering Russia to preferring nato, that endangered Russia's military base in Crimea and its overall presence in that region forcing them to take action or leave its underbelly exposed to attack from nato agressors.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 1625 of 1639 (788880)
08-06-2016 12:19 PM
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08-06-2016 4:35 AM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
frako writes:

He took the simpler route and just took it back, knowing that crimeans would be happy about it.


Somebody did something similar in 1938 in a little place called Sudetenland.

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Message 1626 of 1639 (788882)
08-06-2016 12:45 PM
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08-06-2016 3:38 AM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
which happened after Russian troops had already invaded

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Message 1627 of 1639 (788886)
08-06-2016 2:55 PM
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08-06-2016 12:45 PM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
the Ukrainian "revolution" took place 18–23 February 2014 ending with President Yanukovych fleeing the country.

Pro Russian protest in Crimea started on February 23, so called Russian soldiers whiteout insignia's took over the government on February 27.
The independent republic of Crimea then had a referendum on the 16th of march. Where an overwhelming majority of the population voted for the independent republic of Crimea to join Russia. On march 18 they signed a treaty to join Russia.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 1628 of 1639 (788889)
08-06-2016 9:23 PM
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08-06-2016 2:55 PM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
right, the Crimea declared independence and voted to join Russia after Russian soldiers invaded and overthrew the local government.

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frako
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Message 1629 of 1639 (788896)
08-07-2016 4:46 AM
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08-06-2016 9:23 PM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
Yea but there is no proof that those where russian soldiers. And there would be no way that the pro eu/nato radicals that overthrew the Ukrainian government would allow a referendum in Crimea.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 1630 of 1639 (788900)
08-07-2016 5:03 AM
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08-06-2016 8:24 AM


NATO & Putin as campaign issues
... it was motivated by a cue that that shifted Ukraine from preferring Russia to preferring NATO, that endangered Russia's military base in Crimea and its overall presence in that region forcing them to take action or leave its underbelly exposed to attack from NATO aggressors.
Is Slovenia part of an alliance or are you guys on your own?

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frako
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Message 1631 of 1639 (788901)
08-07-2016 5:05 AM
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08-07-2016 5:03 AM


Re: NATO & Putin as campaign issues
Yea we are part of nato, why i have no idea its not like anyone can find us on a map.

p.s.

The Slovenian president orders an atack on america, after the attack he orders the people to bunker down and wait for an attack. " days later still no retaliation, so he orders a second wave, tells the populace to bunker down and wait for retaliation, a few days later still no retaliation, he orderes a third wave same scenario. So he picks up the phone and asks the american president, why dont you retaliate against us, the american president replys, how is it possible that anyone in Slovakia is still alive.

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 1632 of 1639 (788914)
08-07-2016 12:58 PM
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08-07-2016 4:46 AM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
Yea but there is no proof that those where russian soldiers.

Other than using russian weapons and uniforms and Putin himself admitting that there were russian troops in the crimea.

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Message 1633 of 1639 (788915)
08-07-2016 1:04 PM
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08-07-2016 12:58 PM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
These aren't the Russian troops you are looking for. Move along.

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frako
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Message 1634 of 1639 (788916)
08-07-2016 1:51 PM
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08-07-2016 12:58 PM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
Putin himself admitting that there were russian troops in the crimea.

Yea like there are russian soldiers in germany, in south korea, vietnam ... he has a military base there of course he had soldiers there. But there is no proof that it was russian soldiers that took over the Crimean government. Because many Crimean soldiers defected it could have been their own soldiers.

The simple storry is America started a "revolution" in Ukraine to cut off Russia way in to the Mediterranean, and putin wouldn't have it. Why did the revolution start because the president of Ukraine got a better financing deal from russia then the EU gave them and he took it. And given that the people voted the point who did what should be moot. Or would you like to force them back to Ukraine against the will of the people?

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 1635 of 1639 (788917)
08-07-2016 2:15 PM
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08-07-2016 1:51 PM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
Because many Crimean soldiers defected it could have been their own soldiers.

Who wore russian uniforms, and carried russian weapons.

Or would you like to force them back to Ukraine against the will of the people?

And how do we know it was the will of the people? Any vote after an invasion by another country is going to be suspect.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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