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Author Topic:   Climate Change Denier comes in from the cold: SCIENCE!!!
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Message 31 of 824 (749821)
02-09-2015 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by marc9000
02-08-2015 8:42 PM


Re: Sorry, there was no "pause" in global warming ...
marc9000 writes:

Except for 31,000 scientists ?

While God may have put a limit on how knowledgeable people might be, it seems that there is no limit on how ignorant the Christian Cult of Ignorance can be.

Climate Change deniers are at best willfully ignorant but far too often simply con men. Whether or not climate change is human caused, the fact is that the human caused components are the only ones we have any reasonable hope of effecting over the short term.

You have to be dumber than a red brick to not see that.

Fortunately most folk around the world are not dumber than a red brick and so even if the pitiful example of humanity that make up the Christian Right and Conservative party in the US stick their heads in the sand and try to ignore the issue, the rest of the world will not and they will be better prepared to minimize the disasters for their people.

If necessary the rest of the world will finally kick the US's ass and force it to get real or just write it off as another failed experiment and go on with their lives.

Edited by jar, : rally appalin spallin


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Message 84 of 824 (750503)
02-16-2015 10:15 PM
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02-16-2015 9:32 PM


yup, the debate is over
Yup, the debate is over. It's settled.

It really is so simple that only those who are delusional or willfully ignorant or conmen do not understand that regardless of what causes global warming, it is only the human created contributions we can currently address.

If the major contributor is natural causes instead of man made then that only means we need to reduce the human contributions even further.

A best we can say that climate change deniers are just plain ignorant or delusional instead of being the typical Christian Cult of Ignorance snake oil peddlers.


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Message 102 of 824 (750687)
02-20-2015 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by marc9000
02-20-2015 8:18 PM


steps to take
The steps we should take is address the US contributions.

Continue to legislate reducing emissions from both corporate and individual usage.

Continue to legislate more fuel efficient vehicles.

Continue to legislate more efficient appliances.

Increase the cost of gasoline and diesel fuels by adding an additional tax that will be set aside to use only to mitigate harmful effects of global warming and rebuilding infrastructure.

Place a moratorium on any new coastal construction and tax existing coastal industry and corporations.

Work on plans to move people away from potential flood areas.

Continue laughing at the silly global warming deniers.


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Message 106 of 824 (750691)
02-20-2015 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by marc9000
02-20-2015 8:47 PM


Re: steps to take
I see no increases in government.

We will measure the success or failure based on the relative impact on US citizens over the next 100 years.

AbE:

marc9000 writes:

In other words, elect Democrats! Surrender freedom! Ignore the 10th amendment!

Well, as a long term Republican (since I worked as campaign manager for Ike in a class mock convention) I must point out that there is not a single current Republican candidate that would make a pimple on Goldwater or Rockefeller or Roosevelt or Eisenhower or Nixon's ass. They are all simply pathetic little fascists licking the soles of their masters boots.

But no, there is no need to surrender any freedoms and certainly no threat to the 10th. Amendment.

And I'd love to see even a single Republican candidate at any level of government that was not just simpering whore or who showed even a modest capability of rational thought.

I think it is disgusting and pathetically pitiful how far the Grand Old Party has fallen since the Reagan coup and Christian Fascist takeover.

Edited by jar, : see AbE:


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Message 110 of 824 (750727)
02-21-2015 11:28 AM


Personal lifestyle changes
So above I listed some communal changes I'd like to see the US adopt.

In my own life I also try to do things that will reduce may contributions to global warming.

I drive much less; use my bicycle more.

I take bags to the store when shopping.

When I change or upgrade appliances I try to get more energy efficient ones.

I changed out the heating and AC at home for a CFC free high efficiency unit even though I may not live long enough to recoup the cost.

I use only cold water clothes washing and do fewer but larger loads. Also returned to sun drying.

I wash dishes by hand and stopped using the dishwasher.

I have moved to LED lighting.

In winter I set the thermostat to mid-high 70s and in summer to low-mid 80s. This significantly lowers heating and AC usage. AC still runs a bunch during the summer.

I try to always turn out lights when I am not using them.

In all they are small efforts and certainly insignificant to the overall picture but reasonable.


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Message 115 of 824 (750776)
02-22-2015 12:34 PM
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02-22-2015 12:30 PM


Re: Personal lifestyle changes
That depends on how you do it.

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Message 117 of 824 (750800)
02-22-2015 5:17 PM
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02-22-2015 4:07 PM


Re: Personal lifestyle changes
Yup. And the kitties love to dry them.

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Message 207 of 824 (769821)
09-25-2015 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by foreveryoung
09-25-2015 10:46 AM


Re: Greenhouse effect
And you continue to show willful ignorance about the issue.

It does not matter whether global warming is man made or not, the fact (and it is a fact) is that we only have the technology and capability to partially address those components that are man made.

Only the idiots and Carny Snake Oil Salesman talk about "Man Made Global Warming" because if anyone were honest, the causes would be irrelevant. What is important are two things, reducing those contributions where we can have influence (man made contributions) and preparing the tools, techniques, infrastructure, education and legal foundation to address and mitigate the most harmful effects.


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Message 226 of 824 (769940)
09-26-2015 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by NoNukes
09-26-2015 8:01 PM


a need for morality and empathy
What's so funny about Petro and foreveryoungs's's posts is that they seem to see taxes as bad instead of not just good, but great. It's the classic position of those with no moral sense or empathy; certainly the absolute opposite of anything Jesus might have thought or taught.

But it also ignores some of the things that will be needed most over the next decade or two; a legal and political framework that will be needed to handle hundreds of thousands of refugees as well as relocating hundreds of thousands of current citizens and the resources that will be needed to feed and house all those people; the infrastructure that will be required to mitigate the impact of all those refugees and displaced folk; a plan to make the transitions gradual and incremental, to evacuate the areas that will get flooded before it is a crisis and laws to prevent additional folk from moving into situations where they will just need to be relocated later.

There also needs to be plans and programs in place to try to deal with the effects caused by water and food shortages.

Then we probably also be wise to look beyond just our borders to the rest of the world.


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Message 228 of 824 (769955)
09-27-2015 9:01 AM
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09-26-2015 11:45 PM


Re: a need for morality and empathy
While what you post makes absolutely no sense in relation to what I posted and even suggesting a tax rate over 100% is pretty stupid, the actual answer is "Sure, if in return I and all others are provided with what is needed in the way of shelter, food, education, protection, healthcare and future viability".

Taxes are a necessity and are not something bad at all.


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Message 230 of 824 (769958)
09-27-2015 10:25 AM
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09-27-2015 9:58 AM


Re: "Make America Great Again" ?
Are you suggesting stuff like Conservative Republican Presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Eisenhower and Nixon proposed? Next you will be suggesting Universal Single Payor Health Care and Regulated Monopoly Utilities where their income is based on their investment in infrastructure and that could be used as safe retirement investments by the average person.

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Message 257 of 824 (788804)
08-04-2016 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by foreveryoung
08-04-2016 9:47 PM


foreveryoung writes:

RAZR answers marc9000 question about who is causing the earth to warm.

The human race as an aggregate whole, in spite of the efforts of some to decrease it. When you drive a car or ride a bus you are contributing.

I take this to mean that man made additions of carbon dioxide warm the planet. Where is your proof?

That is one of those truly stupid questions the totally ignorant and clueless bring up regularly and no matter how often folk laugh at their antics they never seem to learn.

The issue is that global warming is happening.

Whether the causes are natural or man made is totally irrelevant since the only causes we can deal with are those that are man made.

The worst case scenario is if the causes are all natural; in that case we are simply up shits creek without a paddle.

We do know though that there are man made contributions. And those we can address.

Only a fool tries to assign blame instead of taking action where we actually can take action.


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Message 266 of 824 (788820)
08-05-2016 7:51 AM
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08-05-2016 1:41 AM


foreveryoung writes:

If it's all natural, we are not up shit Creek without a paddle. The climate has changed significantly in the history of the earth and has flourished throughout.

You might not have noticed but we are not the Earth. Earth itself does not flourish, the lifeforms on the Earth flourish and no, they have not flourished throughout.


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Message 308 of 824 (794699)
11-20-2016 10:03 AM
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11-20-2016 9:54 AM


solution is easy
Not if we stop measuring. If we didn't take all those measurements there would be no global warming.

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Message 318 of 824 (795998)
12-20-2016 4:59 PM
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12-20-2016 4:51 PM


Re: Simple Proof of Man-Made Global Warming
There is only a problem because you and others look for a problem. If you would only stop searching for things to worry about you could stop worrying.

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