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Author Topic:   Climate Change Denier comes in from the cold: SCIENCE!!!
ICANT
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Message 148 of 824 (766567)
08-19-2015 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by NoNukes
08-19-2015 12:33 AM


Change
Hi NoNukes,

I get the idea that you truly believe the earth is getting hotter.

Al Gore predicted the polar caps would be gone by now. He really believed in global warming or with lining his pockets with other peoples money. Which he did.

But I have a question that you might can clear up for me.

As of May 2015 the Polar ice is 5% larger than the 1979 size was.

If the earth is getting so much warmer due to our emissions into the air how is that possible?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Posts: 6396
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Message 150 of 824 (766573)
08-19-2015 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by Dr Adequate
08-19-2015 9:44 AM


Re: Change
Hi Dr,

Dr writes:

You're welcome.

You did not answer my question. I did not ask what the conditions were in 2008.

I asked how NoNukes would explain the fact that in May of 2015 the polar ice was 5% larger than it was in 1979.

What does an article from 2008 have to do with the Polar ice in May of 2015?

quote:
In late 2012, however, polar ice dramatically rebounded and quickly surpassed the post-1979 average. Ever since, the polar ice caps have been at a greater average extent than the post-1979 mean.

Now, in May 2015, the updated NASA data show polar sea ice is approximately 5 percent above the post-1979 average.



http://www.forbes.com/...ta-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all

So what do you explain NASA's latest observations?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 152 of 824 (766575)
08-19-2015 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by Dr Adequate
08-19-2015 9:44 AM


Re: Change
Hi Dr,

Dr writes:

Al Gore predicted the polar caps would be gone by now.

No he didn't.

Are you sure he did not make that prediction in his acceptance speech of his nobel prize in 2007?


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 157 of 824 (766607)
08-19-2015 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Dr Adequate
08-19-2015 10:18 AM


Re: Change
Hi Dr,

Sorry I did not get back to you earlier but I had to take the wife to the doctor.

Dr writes:

I really cannot bring myself to commend your research skills.

There was 170,000 sq miles more polar ice this year than there was in 1979.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 160 of 824 (766619)
08-19-2015 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by NoNukes
08-19-2015 11:12 AM


Re: Change
Hi NoNukes,

NoNukes writes:

Let me suggest that whatever the actual truth is about AGW, the scientist that believe in it are not idiots.

So according to that statement all scientist who do not belive in global warming are idiots.

BTW there was 170,000 sq miles more polar ice this year than there was in 1979.

But frankly I do believe in global warming. I just don't believe mankind is having much to do with it. The sun is growing every year. Solar storms are getting more violent as time moves along. The bigger the sun get's the hotter it is going to get on earth until it melts with fervent heat. 2 Peter 3:12.

Oh, and if I remember correctly I have been told that scientist believe the sun will kill all life forms on earth at a point in the future, as it will get very hot.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 161 of 824 (766621)
08-19-2015 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by ringo
08-19-2015 4:31 PM


Re: Change
Hi Ringo,

Ringo writes:

What do short-term fluctuations have to do with long-term trends?

But you only have data from 1979 until the present to work with. So what long term fluctuations are you talking about?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 164 of 824 (766626)
08-19-2015 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Dr Adequate
08-19-2015 4:49 PM


Re: Change
Hi Dr,

Dr writes:

And since we have two data points about the area of sea ice, and if we refuse to look at all the others, then all our thermometers must be lying to us or something, I dunno, it's your argument.

No that is your argument.

My argument is that there is 170,000 sq miles more polar ice in 2015 than there was in 1979 when it was first recorded.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 190 of 824 (766720)
08-20-2015 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by NoNukes
08-20-2015 12:25 PM


Re: Change
Hi NoNukes,

NoNuke writes:

Do you have any evidence that the sun is growing every year?

If it is not growing every year it will never get big enough to swallow the earth.

quote:
The future looks bright—maybe too bright. The sun is slowly expanding and brightening, and over the next few billion years it will eventually desiccate Earth, leaving it hot, brown and uninhabitable. About 7.6 billion years from now, the sun will reach its maximum size as a red giant: its surface will extend beyond Earth’s orbit today by 20 percent and will shine 3,000 times brighter. In its final stage, the sun will collapse into a white dwarf.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/...ally-engulf-earth-maybe

Some folks think the earth may move out of the way of the sun.
So the debate continues on. But the sun is getting bigger.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 192 of 824 (766722)
08-20-2015 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by NoNukes
08-20-2015 12:17 PM


Re: More area = less ice
Hi NoNukes,

NoNukes writes:

The result is people like ICANT making a bogus argument despite the fact that they accept that the earth's temperature is increasing.

The problem is I don't think it is getting warmer because of mankinds pollution. Which is believed to be a lot faster than what the sun is doing. With the sun we are talking billions of years. With man made problems I have not a clue as to what the time frame is. It is whatever those fellows that depend on the grant money to keep them in their lavish lifestyle says. Because if the grant money ceases they are out of a job. That tells me they have a real bias for promoting their product.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 194 of 824 (766724)
08-20-2015 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by NoNukes
08-20-2015 12:11 PM


Re: Change
Hi NoNukes,

NoNukes writes:

So according to that statement all scientist who do not belive in global warming are idiots.

I did not say that, and it does not follow from my statement.

You actually said the following.

NoNukes writes:

Let me suggest that whatever the actual truth is about AGW, the scientist that believe in it are not idiots

The scientist that believe in it are not idiots. And you do not include any of the scientist that do not believe in it as not being idiots.

That means you have concluded that the scientist along with anyone else who do not believe in it is idiots. In other words as far as you are concerned there is only one possible conclusion.

NoNukes writes:

What my statement does suggest is that people who believe that they've found a simple concept that all AGW scientists routinely miss are unlikely to be correct.

If you had made that statement in the beginning my above rant would not have taken place. Because in it you leave room however so small for other conclusions.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Posts: 6396
From: SSC
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Message 197 of 824 (766728)
08-20-2015 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Taq
08-20-2015 5:20 PM


Re: More area = less ice
Hi Taq,

Taq writes:

Are you denying that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?

It has been defined as such by the powers that be who depend on GW grants for their livelihood.

quote:
"greenhouse gases in the atmosphere may reasonably be anticipated both to endanger public health and to endanger public welfare....
http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-pollutant-advanced.htm

This statement does not say that greenhouse gases will endanger public health and welfare. Just that they may.


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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