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Author Topic:   Climate Change Denier comes in from the cold: SCIENCE!!!
RAZD
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Message 627 of 944 (872213)
02-22-2020 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 615 by marc9000
02-16-2020 7:32 PM


Re: another big oil pawn
I suspect they already have plenty of ideas. But they're a secret, they'd be a little too much of a shock for the general public to see, before climate change activists get enough political power.
Wow. Paranoia much? New World Order?

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Message 628 of 944 (872231)
02-23-2020 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 618 by marc9000
02-16-2020 8:49 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
Notice I'm cutting back on responses -- see Message 310 for one reason. Another reason is that most of your posting is not worth a response. Rush Limbaugh for instance. In my opinion anyone listening to his garbage opinions is a gullible minion. And yes that includes a lot of Americans. He's not a scientist, he's a hate filled conspiracy monger. He knows nothing about climate change. The way he discusses women is revolting.
"Revise our culture", that means that humans have been TOO FREE in their choices to use fossil fuels for the past several hundred years, that fossil fuel use needs to be policed. All we need is perfect people to do that policing. Who are the perfect people?
No it means using education and letting an educated population decide. Our culture has changed numerous times. In recent years it changed with cars, with tvs, with computers, with wifi, with cell phones.
People who believe in the U.S. founding principle of liberty.
The liberty to die from large storms, flooding and fires, or the liberty to do something about in an educated manner?
Coastal flooding is a prediction, no different than past scientific predictions that never happened. But you're not aware of that, because you won't watch what happened 10 years ago.
Coastal flooding is a fact. The ocean level is already higher on average than at any time in human history.
quote:
https://www.sciencenews.org/...ng-sea-level-coastal-flooding
August 6, 2019 at 6:00 am
August 6, 2019 at 6:00 am
Boston dodged a disaster in 2012. After Hurricane Sandy devastated parts of New Jersey and New York, the superstorm hit Boston near low tide, causing minimal damage. If Sandy had arrived four hours earlier, many Bostonians would have been ankle to hip deep in seawater.
Across the globe, sea levels are rising, delivering bigger storm surges and higher tides to coastal cities. In Boston, the most persistent reminder comes in the form of regular nuisance flooding when seawater spills onto roads and sidewalks during high tides. Those nuisance events are harbingers of a wetter future, when extreme high tides are predicted to become a daily occurrence.
The East Coast has been riding a post-Sandy mentality of preparing and responding before the next big one, says Robert Freudenberg, an environmental planner at the Regional Plan Association, an urban research and advocacy firm based in New York City. But a more enduring kind of threat looms. Sea level rise is the flooding that doesn’t go away, he says. Not that far in the future, some of our most developed places may be permanently inundated.
And Boston, for one, is not waiting to get disastrously wet to act. In the seven years since Hurricane Sandy’s close call, the city-run Climate Ready Boston initiative has devised a comprehensive, science-driven master plan to protect infrastructure, property and people from the increasingly inevitable future of storm surges and rising seas. The famously feisty city intends to be ready for the next Sandy as well as the nuisance tides that promise to become the new normal, while other U.S. coastal cities are trying to keep up.
Water always wins
British colonists founded Boston in 1630 next to a freshwater spring on the heavily forested Shawmut Peninsula. By the 1800s, the trees had been replaced by a bustling trading port. As the population grew, industrious residents began filling in tidal flats and marshland with rocks, dirt and trash to create more buildable space. By the early 1900s, the city had tripled in geographic land area. The South End, Charlestown, East Boston, Back Bay and downtown neighborhoods, including attractions like historic Faneuil Hall and the New England Aquarium, are all built on landfill. Even Logan International Airport is built atop a filled-in tidal flat that was once five islands.
... Boston is the fifth most vulnerable coastal city to flooding from sea level rise in the United States after Miami, New York City, New Orleans and Tampa and the eighth most vulnerable city in the world, ...
Rising waters
Several Boston neighborhoods and public institutions are on low-lying landfill (left). Climate Ready Boston is preparing the city for about 100 centimeters of sea level rise (right), which will flood several areas (dark blue) if no action is taken.
City of Boston, Esri, HERE, Garmin, NGA, USGS, adapted by T. Tibbitts
Boston is ranked eighth worldwide for expected economic losses due to coastal flooding, estimated at $237 million per year in 2005 and $741 million annually by 2050, according to a 2013 study in Nature Climate Change. Those kind of numbers frame the upfront costs and the call to action pretty starkly, Ris says. If we don’t do the work now, we are going to pay even more later.
The cost of adaptation is daunting; estimates range into the billions of dollars over the next 50 years. In April, Boston Mayor Martin Walsh pledged 10 percent of the city’s $3.49 billion capital budget in 2020 to fund resiliency projects, such as raising major roadways and replacing existing concrete structures and pavement along coastlines with floodable green spaces.
Blue Boston
One of the first steps toward building a more flood-resilient Boston was to map where the water will go, Douglas says.
The first set of maps we put out [in 2011] showed what the coastline of Boston will look like by the year 2100 with sea level rise and a large storm surge. The map got a lot of attention because it was so blue.
With 100 centimeters of sea level rise, much of Boston’s fill land will be inundated by the harbor, returning the remaining landmass to the original shape of the Shawmut Peninsula. Low-lying city landmarks such as North Station, Faneuil Hall and the aquarium would be permanently awash in blue.
That's right, DO SOMETHING. Something to satisfy emotions, just like we call for more gun control when some nut case loses it, just like more costly, useless safety equipment gets mandated for school buses after one freak accident. It doesn't do a thing to lessen the problem, but it makes a (largely idle) significant voting bloc feel better. But there's only one thing for sure that new government fossil fuel mandates will do, and that's increase the power and money of government bureaucrats.
Except it is fact, and more people in government are realizing this and beginning to take action.
Sorry you lose, reality wins. Let's just hope it's in time to save the human race from themselves.
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Message 630 of 944 (872246)
02-23-2020 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 615 by marc9000
02-16-2020 7:32 PM


Re: another big oil pawn
I can only think of one agenda they could have, to sell in free markets and be left alone by government. What other agenda could they have?
Yep, screw the world, screw the human race, and excuse us while we make as much profit as possible while the world burns. People be damned, life be damned, we’re making profit, cause that’s what’s important.
Other than to be protected from those special interests that seek to destroy them?
The special interest of survival and sanity.
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Message 658 of 944 (872708)
03-02-2020 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 650 by marc9000
02-29-2020 5:04 PM


Here's a partial list of products made from fossil fuels;
And which of them cannot be made from other sources that are not fossil fuels?
None.
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Message 677 of 944 (873218)
03-11-2020 2:31 PM
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03-08-2020 10:04 PM


Meanwhile Portugal ...
From raw materials to consumers hands, there is nothing on that list that isn't completely dependent on fossil fuels in multiple ways.
There is always hydraulics involved in digging in the ground, in making steel, in paving roads and making tires. Everything there will at some point be transported by truck. A lot of steps involved in making those things involves air travel, there is currently nothing on the horizon to power air travel other than fossil fuels.
Meanwhile Portugal reaches 100% renewables, ends fossil fuel subsidies | RenewEconomy
quote:
Portugal’s renewable energy sources generated enough power to exceed total grid demand across the month of March, a new report has found, setting a standard that is expected to become the norm for the European nation.
According to Portuguese grid operator, REN, renewable energy output over the month reached 4,812GWh, surpassing the nation’s total electricity needs for March, which only topped 4,647GWh.
Another case where the naysayers should just get out of the way of the people doing it.
btw -- they also elected a Progressive government 5 years ago that got rid of the conservative "austerians" and their economy is booming.
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