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Author Topic:   Climate Change Denier comes in from the cold: SCIENCE!!!
marc9000
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Message 646 of 711 (872607)
02-29-2020 4:30 PM
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02-24-2020 4:06 PM


Re: Do the Math
People in Denmark and Sweden seem pretty happy.

Where do you get your information from?

What Lessons from Sweden's failed experiment with Socialism can America learn. Get your free guide today from The Fund for American Studies.

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When you get your free copy of “Lessons from Sweden,” you'll learn what Bernie, Ocasio-Cortez and millions of other socialism-hungry young Americans don't want you to know about Sweden's failed experiment and the lessons to be learned like:

How socialism stopped creating jobs in the private sector.

How businesses stopped producing goods and services to be traded in the world markets.

How successful companies and Swedish celebrities fled to free economies across the world to escape debilitating taxes and regulations.

How government officials raided a world-famous theater to arrest a famous actor during rehearsals because they suspected that he evaded paying his taxes.

How this and many other contributing factors eventually led to the collapse of Sweden's economy in the 1990s.

And much, much more...



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marc9000
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Message 647 of 711 (872608)
02-29-2020 4:32 PM
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02-23-2020 4:44 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
It’s pretty clear that you are only interested in objecting to the ban and not at all in the science. The heat is not the issue, it’s the particulates in the wood smoke.

And particulates in wood smoke have what to do with climate change? Let me guess, absolutely nothing? That's just a useful little side claim to justify less freedom and more government?


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marc9000
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Message 648 of 711 (872609)
02-29-2020 4:40 PM
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02-24-2020 4:10 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
The greenhouse effect isn't made up. It's been a part of science for 150 years. Svante Arrhenius did the first calculations for the impact of carbon dioxide on global temps clear back in the 1890's. This is driven by science, not political gain.

But some people today demand political action against a neighbor or company that's "polluting", but they have to do more than cite science and calculations - they need to show evidence of pollution that is specifically provable as measured by the five human senses. If they can't, then there are political problems.

Wood burning bans in my area kick in based on air quality, especially during winter inversions. I think you are getting your wires crossed.

What they are "based" on isn't set in stone and unchangeable, new political power can get them increased to invasive levels.


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marc9000
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Message 649 of 711 (872610)
02-29-2020 4:46 PM
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02-24-2020 4:12 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth
marc9000 writes:

I have a problem with the ABRUPT extension into politics, which says that an increase in the size and scope of government can fix it.

That's a flat out lie. You are trying to spread doubt about the existence of human caused climate change.

Where did I use the word "existence"? It's actually a flat out lie that there's one scintilla of evidence that says government action can reverse climate change.

People in the deeply socialist countries of Denmark and Sweden are some of the freest people on the planet.

There's your flat out lie. Sweden isn't socialist.

The problem using Sweden as an example of a socialist model that works? Sweden ain't socialist | American Enterprise Institute - AEI


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Message 650 of 711 (872611)
02-29-2020 5:04 PM


Here's a partial list of products made from fossil fuels;

quote:
Solvents
Diesel fuel
Motor Oil
Bearing Grease
Ink
Floor Wax
Ballpoint Pens
Football Cleats
Upholstery
Sweaters (that explains the itchy sweater I have at home)
Boats
Insecticides
Bicycle Tires
Sports Car Bodies
Nail Polish
Fishing lures
Dresses
Tires
Golf Bags
Perfumes
Cassettes
Dishwasher parts
Tool Boxes
Shoe Polish
Motorcycle Helmet
Caulking
Petroleum Jelly
Transparent Tape
CD Player (do people still have these?)
Faucet Washers
Antiseptics
Clothesline
Curtains
Food Preservatives
Basketballs
Soap (that explains why soap doesn’t clean oil off your hands)
Vitamin Capsules
Antihistamines
Purses
Shoes
Dashboards
Cortisone
Deodorant
Footballs
Putty
Dyes
Panty Hose
Refrigerant
Percolators
Life Jackets
Rubbing Alcohol
Linings
Skis
TV Cabinets
Shag Rugs
Electrician’s Tape
Tool Racks
Car Battery Cases
Epoxy
Paint
Mops
Slacks
Insect Repellent
Oil Filters
Umbrellas
Yarn
Fertilizers
Hair Coloring
Roofing
Toilet Seats
Fishing Rods
Lipstick
Denture Adhesive
Linoleum
Ice Cube Trays
Synthetic Rubber
Speakers
Plastic Wood
Electric Blankets
Glycerin
Tennis Rackets
Rubber Cement
Fishing Boots
Dice
Nylon Rope
Candles
Trash Bags
House Paint
Water Pipes
Hand Lotion
Roller Skates
Surf Boards
Shampoo
Wheels
Paint Rollers
Shower Curtains
Guitar Strings
Luggage
Aspirin
Safety Glasses
Antifreeze
Football Helmets
Awnings
Eyeglasses (I thought they were made from glass)
Clothes
Toothbrushes
Ice Chests
Footballs
Combs
CD’s & DVD’s
Paint Brushes
Detergents
Vaporizers
Balloons
Sun Glasses
Tents
Heart Valves
Crayons
Parachutes
Telephones
Enamel
Pillows
Dishes
Cameras
Anesthetics
Artificial Turf
Artificial limbs
Bandages
Dentures
Model Cars
Folding Doors
Hair Curlers
Cold cream
Movie film
Soft Contact lenses
Drinking Cups
Fan Belts
Car Enamel
Shaving Cream
Ammonia
Refrigerators
Golf Balls
Toothpaste (Yuck)
Gasoline

Michael Bloomberg has 11 residences, and quite a fleet of private jets and helicopters - one of his helicopters burns 72 gallons of fuel per hour. Yet he points fingers at all us peasants and is planning to tell us what we're going to cut back on to combat climate change.

Phat writes:

I am beginning to think that this whole global warming thing is even more serious than previously thought and will lead to competition and even conflict in the world.

The only thing serious about it is the way it's been made into a political weapon against liberty. We're safe for now, Bloomberg and Sanders are nowhere near the presidency. But as more and more naïve young people vote based on emotion rather than history and human nature, there could be more conflict than the political left is bargaining for, and it will be 100% their own fault.


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Message 651 of 711 (872612)
02-29-2020 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 648 by marc9000
02-29-2020 4:40 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
But some people today demand political action against a neighbor or company that's "polluting", but they have to do more than cite science and calculations - they need to show evidence of pollution that is specifically provable as measured by the five human senses. If they can't, then there are political problems.

are you really so stupid as to think pollution isn't important until it is at levels detectable by human senses? You've shown yourself to be an ignorant pigfucker in the past but this takes the cake.

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Message 652 of 711 (872613)
02-29-2020 5:22 PM
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02-29-2020 4:32 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
quote:
And particulates in wood smoke have what to do with climate change? Let me guess, absolutely nothing?

Yes, you were foolishly wrong to think they were related.

quote:
That's just a useful little side claim to justify less freedom and more government?

It’s your claim, so the motives for making it would be yours.


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Message 653 of 711 (872615)
02-29-2020 5:49 PM
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02-29-2020 5:14 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
Cuz we all know the smell of radiation. What an idiot.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 654 of 711 (872628)
03-01-2020 3:07 AM
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02-29-2020 4:40 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
But some people today demand political action against a neighbor or company that's "polluting"

Yes, of course. People have always done that. If a neighbor won't stop crapping and pissing in his yard, or in yours, you're going to demand action from local authorities. If there are no ordinances against it, you should demand political action.

Carbon emissions are crap we've been throwing into the atmosphere for generations, but only recently realized the consequences of doing it. It's the same as other garbage. We have to deal with it: Flush it, take it to the curb or dump, hire a collection service, and easiest of all - not make so much of it. Because we haven't disposed of CO2 properly, it's making problems for the entire planet; ourselves and our neighbors included.

Yes, it infringes on our neighbor's liberty if we demand he use a toilet instead of our yards. I suppose it's kind of fun to relieve yourself outdoors and it saves a little on the water bill. But even if his yard is downwind, would you defend his "liberty" from "political action"?


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Message 655 of 711 (872696)
03-02-2020 1:14 PM
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02-29-2020 4:26 PM


Re: another big oil pawn
marc9000 writes:

They don't have a financial interest in receiving those grants?

You receive grants based on the quality of your science.

Yes, the direction it's taking and what is causing it are science and fact. But that's only a very small part of the discussion, the biggest part of the discussion is the uneven placing of the blame on only some humans, and what a few humans in government can do about it.

That's flat out false. You are pushing propaganda that tries to argue it isn't happening at all.


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Message 656 of 711 (872697)
03-02-2020 1:16 PM
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02-29-2020 4:40 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
marc9000 writes:

But some people today demand political action against a neighbor or company that's "polluting", but they have to do more than cite science and calculations - they need to show evidence of pollution that is specifically provable as measured by the five human senses. If they can't, then there are political problems.

You and conservatives are trying to cast false doubt on the science and calculations. THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!


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Message 657 of 711 (872698)
03-02-2020 1:19 PM
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02-29-2020 4:46 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth
marc9000 writes:

There's your flat out lie. Sweden isn't socialist.

Great. Then let's take those Swedish policies and enact them in the US. Narry a conservative should have a problem with it since they aren't socialist policies, right? That would include such things as government funded universal health care. Not socialist, right?


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Message 658 of 711 (872708)
03-02-2020 5:58 PM
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02-29-2020 5:04 PM


Here's a partial list of products made from fossil fuels;

And which of them cannot be made from other sources that are not fossil fuels?

None.

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marc9000
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Message 659 of 711 (873021)
03-08-2020 9:02 PM
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02-29-2020 5:14 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
are you really so stupid as to think pollution isn't important until it is at levels detectable by human senses?

I never said it wasn't "important", I'm saying that it can't be politically acted upon only on the word of a "faction";

Federalist Papers No. 10 - Bill of Rights Institute

quote:
There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by removing its causes; the other, by controlling its effects.

The scientific community's effects are constitutionally required to be controlled by a political process. The scientific community is very mischievous these days, considering it's largely controlled by atheism and one political party.


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marc9000
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Message 660 of 711 (873022)
03-08-2020 9:07 PM
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02-29-2020 5:22 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
marc9000 writes:

And particulates in wood smoke have what to do with climate change? Let me guess, absolutely nothing?

Yes, you were foolishly wrong to think they were related.

I just pointed out that they were not related, after you implied that they were. I do love this place, TDR (Trump Derangement Syndrome) is getting more contagious here than coronavirus in Washington state.


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