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marc9000
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Message 766 of 824 (884779)
03-07-2021 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 756 by dwise1
03-05-2021 4:41 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
AZPaul3 is right and you and yours are dead wrong (with some having ended up more dead than others solely because of Republican politics and having nothing whatsoever to do with renewable energy).

Today, a few Republicans are somewhat more likely to cross the aisle and side with Democrats if the political winds blow them there. (pressure from their constituents can be an acceptable reason) Romney, Murkowski, Collins, McConnel, or the 10? who voted to remove Trump are examples. Other than possibly Joe Manchin, Democrats are more likely to follow orders from their leadership. Some Texas Republicans caved to green energy demands sooner than they should have, contributing to the blackouts. Your "nothing whatsoever" claim is false.

Texas has a LOT of government incentives for wind and solar. They guarantee profits to big, often foreign companies and lead to market distortions, especially when the voters are brainwashed into accepting the lie that fossil fuels are easily replaceable.

The figures I heard are that only about 10% of Texan energy comes from green sources (eg, wind and solar) and that the remaining 90% comes from fossil fuels. The immediate and principal cause of much of the failure was that it had gotten too cold for natural gas to flow and thus the fuel source for much of the electrical grid.

"Too cold for natural gas to flow"? I wonder why it flows so well in Alaska and Canada. I heard something that makes a lot more sense - that ERCOT was caught off guard by how soon demand exceeded supply. Before the grid frequency fell to dangerously low levels, some fossil fuel plants had to shut down to protect their equipment. The failure was human error. We can blame ERCOT, we can blame Republican politicians, but ultimately, the blame is with PEOPLE, people who believe the lie that doing without fossil fuels would be easier than it actually is. Maybe Republicans in Texas were trying to save money, money that they need for their ever increasing problems. Like record numbers of illegals pouring over their southern border sporting Biden tee shirts, or an influx of Californians hoping their liberal ideas that are destroying California will somehow work differently in Texas. They should try to accept Californians on one condition, that they don't let them vote!

So what did Gov. Abbott do? He went straight to the FAKE News Network to go onto serial liar Sean Hannity's show to lie out of his ass that it was entirely AOC and her Green New Deal that had caused Texas' catastrophic collapse -- despite the Green New Deal never having been implemented, let alone being promoted as legislature, and despite 90% of Texan energy being based on fossil fuels.

Considering the incentives for solar and wind, and the brainwashing that Texans and everyone else has that AOC is wiser than a tree full of owls, the GND really did have something to do with it.

marc, you undoubtedly saw Abbott lie out of his ass on FAKE News and you made the mistake of believing him. After all the times that the Republicans have lied to you, you no longer qualify for the Gomer Pyle Immunity Clause ("Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."). It is solidly your fault for continuing to believe their lies.

I didn't see Abbot on Hannity, I seldom catch Hannity. I'll have to circle back to you. What do you think of the lie, that all those products I listed in Message 722 can be made without fossil fuels? Or the lie by omission by the mainstream media, that illegals are now pouring over the southern border, many of them wearing Biden tee shirts?

The actual cause of this disaster is deregulation under Republican mis-administration of the power grid. Around 2011 there was another cold snap which exposed the vulnerabilities of Texas' power grid to cold weather. After a comprehensive study outlined everything that Texas needed to do to winterize its power grid in order to prevent failures in the next cold snap to come, Texas Republicans decided to suggest to the privatized utilities that they voluntarily do what they needed to do and, of course, those privatized utilities, being far more interested in making as much of a profit as possible despite how much that might endanger the public that they are supposed to serve, did nothing to prepare for that catastrophic winter (refer to the story of the ant and the grasshopper if that is more on your level).

Maybe those Texas Republicans, caved to their constituents who believe the lies they are told by climate alarmists, that losing fossil fuels is no big deal.

Not only did they do nothing to winterize the power grid, but they also (with the help of Republican state government, no doubt) decided to isolate Texas' power grid from all other power grids primarily to avoid the federal regulation that that would have brought with it. Thus the Texas power grid had isolated itself from any kind of contingency emergency help. El Paso and eastern-most Texas (¿including Beaumont?) were both not on that isolated Texas power grid and so were able to draw power from the power grids of neighboring states and were able to survive.

I agree, there are three power grids, the eastern U.S., the western U.S. and Texas. Texas established their own to avoid federal meddling, the advantages of that for Texas have undoubtedly been many, but we can't tell, the mainstream media continues to lie by omission. And yes, some of extreme west and east Texas are on the others, and didn't have as many problems. But the main reason wasn't because of all the additional federal involvement in the two big grids, it was because they are bigger and more diverse, and can divert and cover additional power in some comparatively small areas when needed.

Now, wind turbines work very well in cold weather when properly designed and maintained -- a viral photo that was supposed to be from Texas during this freeze showing a helicopter spraying de-icing on a turbine was actually from Sweden a couple years ago. And as I understand it, photo-voltaic solar panels actually work much better when it's cold because of electical conductors' resistances' positive coefficient of temperature (ie, a conductor's resistance increases as the temperature increases, which is why super-conductor applications require extremely low temperatures -- this is something that everybody with any degree of electronics training would know, so it should qualify as common knowledge).

And another thing everybody should know, whether they believe climate alarmists lies or not, is that solar doesn't work at night. A Monday night was one of the key times when demand exceeded supply.

Now, why did that only happen to Texas? Why does everything work just fine in the rest of the country where it customarily gets far colder than in Texas? For example, I was stationed in the cold part of North Dakota -- the Fahrenheit and Celsius scales meet at -40° which I personally witnessed at least once. Yet our power grid never failed at the first hint of a chill (though a massive winter storm could, but even that would affect small communities and not everybody) and our heating fuel never failed us. Why would that be? Maybe because we knew what we needed to do to keep those systems operating and so we took care of that?

It's only natural that power generating equipment is better protected in central and northern climates, Texas isn't the only southern state that has some equipment outside rather than inside, since it seldom gets cold there. Alaska doesn't have much air conditioning either. Human error and spending decisions aren't always the fault of Republicans.

But in the case of Texas in 2021, they had known for a decade what they needed to do, yet they refused to do that because it would have reduced their profit.

Can you provide examples where the scientific community and Democrats have, for the past 10 years, been warning them that they needed to IMPROVE THEIR FOSSIL FUEL CAPACITY? Or has it all been about spending more money on wind and solar?

Edited by marc9000, : spelling


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marc9000
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Message 767 of 824 (884780)
03-07-2021 4:07 PM
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03-05-2021 1:40 PM


Re: Texas
But in the case of Texas in 2021, they had known for a decade what they needed to do, yet they refused to do that because it would have reduced their profit.

Hopefully your questions were answered in my previous message. Can you give any examples of climate alarmists warning Texas that they'd better get busy and improve their fossil fuel energy sources?


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Message 768 of 824 (884781)
03-07-2021 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 766 by marc9000
03-07-2021 4:04 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
I wonder why it flows so well in Alaska and Canada.

because we have prepared our systems to run in extreme weather conditions, something the Texas utility was told they should do a decade ago.

for the past 10 years, been warning them that they needed to IMPROVE THEIR FOSSIL FUEL CAPACITY?

they were warned a decade ago that after two previous severe weather situations that they needed to prepare their plants for another.

Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.


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marc9000
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Message 769 of 824 (884782)
03-07-2021 4:19 PM
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03-07-2021 4:10 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
they were warned a decade ago that after two previous severe weather situations that they needed to prepare their plants for another.

Links? Warned by whom?


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Message 770 of 824 (884783)
03-07-2021 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 763 by marc9000
03-07-2021 2:41 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
Then you should have no trouble providing me with links to examples of this discussion.

You are a helpless twit, aren't you.

... could be good enough to avoid another internal war.

At what cost? The reduction of our children's suffering by 500 years? 1000 years? 5000 years?

Stop me when I get to where you think it's acceptable.

So it's politics, not an effort to find out what the truth is?

But the bullshit you were selling had nothing to do with any truth or facts or evidence or ...

I'll elaborate more with your helpers in the coming messages.

Have at it, Tiger.

Yes really, because all that was, was a list of copies of past, failed gloom and doom predictions blah blah blah

You know we can still find scientific predictions that were in error with something. So science isn't perfect.

But with the strength of this science ...

and for god sake boy don't ask for specific studies. It's all out there on the net and strung all throughout this and other threads on this very forum out the kazoo so consider it all submitted.

... on this topic at this time if you want to dispute the present consensus then you are going to have to present a whole lot more and better science than some old wrong papers.

You're losing.

It's misinformation to show copies of past news columns?

When manipulated by a good shill? Of course.

We aren't Trump people. We can see past the flames.


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Message 771 of 824 (884784)
03-07-2021 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 769 by marc9000
03-07-2021 4:19 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
Links? Warned by whom?

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

They were warned by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and North America Electric Reliability Corporation.


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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
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And so there was only one thing I could do
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Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
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Message 772 of 824 (884785)
03-07-2021 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 769 by marc9000
03-07-2021 4:19 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
Links? Warned by whom?

Linked to through the Wikipedia article, 2021 Texas Power Crisis:

quote:
Ten years previously, U.S. Federal regulators explicitly warned Texas[18] in a detailed report that its power plants would fail[19] in cold conditions that were likely to come.

Since you will undoubtedly refuse to click on that link (the better to avoid learning anything), here is the link to that report again, Report on Outages and Curtailments During the Southwest Cold Weather Event of February I-5 [sic], 2011 -- Causes and Recommendations prepared by the staffs of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and the North American Electric Reliability Corporation.

And since we know already and so have very good reason to assume that you still haven't followed that link to that document, here it is yet again as a bare link so that you can examine the URL itself: https://www.ferc.gov/...lt/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf

You can read the entire 357-page yourself and see for yourself what Texan Republicans in charge had been warned about and from that see how they had ignored those warnings.

There is plainly no excuse for how horrifically the Texan Republican gov't completely screwed this up and got people killed and worse.


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Message 773 of 824 (884786)
03-07-2021 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 764 by marc9000
03-07-2021 2:51 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
quote:
So it can be done solely with free markets, or it can be done solely by government mandates. Or obviously a combination of the two. The U.S government already meddles a lot with its various subsidies and tax breaks to experimental attempts to reduce the use of fossil fuels. I think that's enough, or too much.

You can think whatever you like.

quote:
So while I don't favor a 100% free markets / 0% government involvement, I'd prefer more of an 90 / 10 ratio. Government action is already about 15%. What would you say your ideal ratio would be? 0 free markets, to 100% government action? 50/50? What?

There is no ideal. We need to do whatever is necessary.


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Message 774 of 824 (884793)
03-08-2021 3:52 AM
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03-07-2021 4:04 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
DWise1 writes:

AZPaul3 is right and you and yours are dead wrong (with some having ended up more dead than others solely because of Republican politics and having nothing whatsoever to do with renewable energy).


Today, a few Republicans are somewhat more likely to cross the aisle and side with Democrats if the political winds blow them there. (pressure from their constituents can be an acceptable reason) Romney, Murkowski, Collins, McConnel, or the 10? who voted to remove Trump are examples. Other than possibly Joe Manchin, Democrats are more likely to follow orders from their leadership.

Trying to switch the focus to national politics and away from the complete and utter fiasco of state Republican politics. Stick to the subject! And stop trying to practice your typical deceptive trickery. I have about four decades experience dealing with creationist liars and they used the exact same tricks that you are trying to use here.

Some Texas Republicans caved to green energy demands sooner than they should have, contributing to the blackouts. Your "nothing whatsoever" claim is false.

And yet, green energy accounts for a very small percentage of energy production in Texas, whereas the vastly greater percentage is provided by fossil fuels. It is the failure of the fossil fuel distribution system that caused this disaster.

Please pull your head out.

Texas has a LOT of government incentives for wind and solar. They guarantee profits to big, often foreign companies and lead to market distortions, especially when the voters are brainwashed into accepting the lie that fossil fuels are easily replaceable.

And yet the inconvenient fact (OH! Did I just tap back into the original topic?) is that the vastly greater portion of Texas energy production which failed so utterly was firmly based on FOSSIL FUELS. AND THAT IS WHAT FAILED SO SPECTACULARLY!

"Too cold for natural gas to flow"? I wonder why it flows so well in Alaska and Canada.

Oh wow! Really?

It flows so well in Alaska and Canada (and other very cold places) because they know full well how do to that! Unlike in Texas where nobody knows how to do anything at all that works! Especially if you have to spend any money to get the job done. Because that would cut into profits. Profits over people is the Republican mantra.

Duh?!?!?!?

And it's not the physical properties of natural gas that's in question, but rather the ability of the machinery which moves it to function in the cold. Which that machinery failed to do in Texas because they were too cheap to winterize that system as they had been advised to do a decade ago! Because of Republican policies that placed profits over human lives and which eliminated necessary regulation.

It was Republican policies that killed those Texans, not green energy nor any other of your transparent and flimsy lies.

Before the grid frequency fell to dangerously low levels, some fossil fuel plants had to shut down to protect their equipment.

Please pay attention to your own lies. "fossil fuel plants". You just said it yourself. fossil fuel plants And in case you still cannot see it: fossil fuel plants

Are you still unable to see what you yourself just said or do I need to enlarge that even more?

Not "green energy", but rather fossil fuel plants.

So your failed attempts to blame green energy falls completely flat by your own admission that the power failure was due to fossil fuels.

Maybe Republicans in Texas were trying to save money, money that they need for their ever increasing problems. Like record numbers of illegals pouring over their southern border sporting Biden tee shirts, or an influx of Californians hoping their liberal ideas that are destroying California will somehow work differently in Texas.

"saving money"? No, raking in profits by refusing to do their job! It's not thriftiness that was in operation, but rather greed.

And there you are trying to shift the blame and change the subject, just like typical dishonest deceptive creationists! Have you ever tried to pilot a ship, a large ship? Those things don't turn on a dime, you should know. It takes a lot of time for any course change to take effect. The same holds true for a wide range of social changes like the economy and response to policy changes. Factors affecting the number of immigrants at our southern border go back many months, even years. You want to blame someone for the number of immigrants? Blame TRUMP! He's the one who was in charge when those immigrants went on the move.

Plus, you're just making that shit up. Cite actual figures! Or admit that you're just lying yet again.

They should try to accept Californians on one condition, that they don't let them vote!

There are over 230 bills being submitted by Republicans in state legislatures to keep people from being able to vote. They're reading the wrong message there. If nobody wants to vote for you, then you should try to find out why that is.

Considering the incentives for solar and wind, and the brainwashing that Texans and everyone else has that AOC is wiser than a tree full of owls, the GND really did have something to do with it.

Except that it didn't! As you yourself pointed out! You still have not learned the first rule of lying your ass off, which is that you must keep your lies straight.

And OBTW, AOC was in Texas helping Texans while Cruz was off vacationing in Cancún not caring the least bit about his constituents. By which she proved that she would make a far better senator for Texas than Cruz.

I didn't see Abbot on Hannity, I seldom catch Hannity. I'll have to circle back to you.

You can catch it on YouTube. You know how to STFW, so don't insist that we do that for you yet again.

What do you think of the lie, that all those products I listed in Message 722 can be made without fossil fuels? Or the lie by omission by the mainstream media, that illegals are now pouring over the southern border, many of them wearing Biden tee shirts?

Yet again, you cannot respond to the issues under discussion, so you try desperately to change the subject. Like a typical lying piece-of-shite creationist.

We already know what you are. You have demonstrated it far too many times already.

Maybe those Texas Republicans, caved to their constituents who believe the lies they are told by climate alarmists, that losing fossil fuels is no big deal.

Except that is not what had happened. The failure was in fossil fuels failing to deliver because of destructive Republican policies.

Do please try to pay attention.

I agree, there are three power grids, the eastern U.S., the western U.S. and Texas. Texas established their own to avoid federal meddling, the advantages of that for Texas have undoubtedly been many, but we can't tell, the mainstream media continues to lie by omission.

Which would have required Texas to properly winterize their systems as per that 2011 report (https://www.ferc.gov/...lt/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf , though I have absolutely no doubt that you still have refused to look at it, so precious is your ignorance to you). By keeping Texas separate and hence not subject to federal regulation, Texas Republicans ensured the failure of their power system and the deaths of Texans.

And yes, some of extreme west and east Texas are on the others, and didn't have as many problems. But the main reason wasn't because of all the additional federal involvement in the two big grids, it was because they are bigger and more diverse, and can divert and cover additional power in some comparatively small areas when needed.

And do please remind us why that would have been a problem for the rest of the state.

And another thing everybody should know, whether they believe climate alarmists lies or not, is that solar doesn't work at night. A Monday night was one of the key times when demand exceeded supply.

Wow! You anti-science idiots never fail to astonish with your stupidity. Do you really believe that all scientists and engineers are naïve fools who always overlook the obvious? Rather it is you anti-science idiots who are the naïve fools.

Ever hear of batteries? Apparently not! Every single solar power system ever conceived of has included ideas for storing energy for times of darkness. There's also a hydro-electric system in which you pump water up into a reservoir during the day time and then at night time run it through a turbine and generator. Scientists and engineers are actually smart people, unlike you and yours (according to your personal witness).

It's only natural that power generating equipment is better protected in central and northern climates, Texas isn't the only southern state that has some equipment outside rather than inside, since it seldom gets cold there.

Yes, which is why they pay out that extra expense to properly winterize that equipment. And that extra investment shows.

Texas was advised a decade ago that it needed to winterize its equipment. And it chose not to! That was not any kind of equipment failure, but rather a policy failure. A Republican policy failure which placed quick profit over the lives of the state's citizens.

Again, how much is a human life worth in Texas? And if you are also one of those "pro-life" wienies, why are you so much anti-life when it comes to Texans?

Alaska doesn't have much air conditioning either. Human error and spending decisions aren't always the fault of Republicans.

They are when those decisions cost lives, which is what happened in Texas.

It is what it is.

Can you provide examples where the scientific community and Democrats have, for the past 10 years, been warning them that they needed to IMPROVE THEIR FOSSIL FUEL CAPACITY? Or has it all been about spending more money on wind and solar?

What the fuck are you babbling on about there?


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marc9000
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Message 775 of 824 (884814)
03-08-2021 8:41 PM
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03-08-2021 3:52 AM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
fossil fuel plants.

You're very angry now, and unable to read with comprehension. Yes, I said "fossil fuel plants". I said that part of the problem was that in some cases they had to be SHUT DOWN to protect themselves from damage due to wind and solar failures. Most of this entire rant of yours was due to the fact that you ignored this.

And it's not the physical properties of natural gas that's in question, but rather the ability of the machinery which moves it to function in the cold. Which that machinery failed to do in Texas because they were too cheap to winterize that system as they had been advised to do a decade ago! Because of Republican policies that placed profits over human lives and which eliminated necessary regulation.

10 years ago, if the "climate change" term had even been invented yet, it was still in its infancy. The main battle cry of Democrats / atheists was GLOBAL WARMING. Though you imply that ALL politicians in Texas 10 years ago were Republicans, there were at least some Democrats in political positions, and plenty of Texas Democrat voters. You're telling me that if Republican lawmakers had said "Hey, we need to spend more money on fossil fuel plants, to guard against future extreme cold spells", that fossil fuel hating Democrats who spout the global warming mantra, wouldn't have had something to say about that? They'd have screamed bloody murder "THE GLOBE IS WARMING!!!!! TEXAS WILL HAVE NO MORE COLD SPELLS!!!!!"

You see, every decade or two or three, the jet stream takes an unusual southern dive in the dead of winter, bringing arctic air to Texas. It always has, and always will, no matter how much money and freedom the government strips the people of, as it claims to be able to control it.

marc900 writes:

I didn't see Abbot on Hannity, I seldom catch Hannity. I'll have to circle back to you.

You can catch it on YouTube. You know how to STFW, so don't insist that we do that for you yet again.

I did find what I think you were referring to, the main thing I saw Abbot say, (other than the obvious things I've been saying) is that there's going to be an investigation. It will probably become clear then, just who politically blocked the needed work on fossil fuel plants over the past 10 years.

marc9000 writes:

What do you think of the lie, that all those products I listed in Message 722 can be made without fossil fuels? Or the lie by omission by the mainstream media, that illegals are now pouring over the southern border, many of them wearing Biden tee shirts?

Yet again, you cannot respond to the issues under discussion, so you try desperately to change the subject. Like a typical lying piece-of-shite creationist.

So like everyone else here from the U.S. (Tangle excluded) you just can't admit that without fossil fuels, those products couldn't exist, in the volumes of today's requirements?

The attempts by atheists to downplay the reliance by people the world over on fossil fuels is a SERIOUS problem. That we don't need fossil fuels to make those products parallels the misinformation many in the Texas general public had concerning the importance of upgrading the fossil fuel plants there.

Except that is not what had happened. The failure was in fossil fuels failing to deliver because of destructive Republican policies.

Sorry, I don't believe that Texas politics is 100% Republican.

Texas Democratic Party

quote:
Out of the 36 seats Texas is apportioned in the U.S. House of Representatives, 13 are held by Democrats:

Which would have required Texas to properly winterize their systems as per that 2011 report (https://www.ferc.gov/...lt/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf , though I have absolutely no doubt that you still have refused to look at it, so precious is your ignorance to you). By keeping Texas separate and hence not subject to federal regulation, Texas Republicans ensured the failure of their power system and the deaths of Texans.

I didn't see the word "Republican" or "global warming" or "fossil fuel hater" anywhere in your 100 mile long link.

marc9000 writes:

And yes, some of extreme west and east Texas are on the others, and didn't have as many problems. But the main reason wasn't because of all the additional federal involvement in the two big grids, it was because they are bigger and more diverse, and can divert and cover additional power in some comparatively small areas when needed.

And do please remind us why that would have been a problem for the rest of the state.

Because the entire state was unusually, equally cold! The other two power grids are big enough that an unexpected, severe cold wave couldn't possibly happen to the entire grid!

Ever hear of batteries? Apparently not! Every single solar power system ever conceived of has included ideas for storing energy for times of darkness. There's also a hydro-electric system in which you pump water up into a reservoir during the day time and then at night time run it through a turbine and generator. Scientists and engineers are actually smart people, unlike you and yours (according to your personal witness).

So there weren't enough batteries for the green power? This doesn't have anything to do with fossil fuel plants, but I suppose Republicans are 100% to blame for this too? Couldn't possibly have been the greenies opposition to the building of batteries, since that takes fossil fuels like everything else?

Texas was advised a decade ago that it needed to winterize its equipment. And it chose not to! That was not any kind of equipment failure, but rather a policy failure. A Republican policy failure which placed quick profit over the lives of the state's citizens.

Your next task would be to show me how Beto O'Rourke loving Texas is, and has been, 100% controlled by Republicans.

marc9000 writes:

Can you provide examples where the scientific community and Democrats have, for the past 10 years, been warning them that they needed to IMPROVE THEIR FOSSIL FUEL CAPACITY? Or has it all been about spending more money on wind and solar?

What the fuck are you babbling on about there?

The fact that RESISTANCE to fossil fuel use by Democrats, could be the major contributing factor to Texas' recent failures, not only in improving fossil fuel facilities, but in providing batteries and other support that green energy needs.


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Message 776 of 824 (884815)
03-08-2021 8:53 PM
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03-08-2021 8:41 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
10 years ago, if the "climate change" term had even been invented yet, it was still in its infancy. The main battle cry of Democrats / atheists was GLOBAL WARMING.

That's all she wrote, Folks.

This guy knows nothing of the issue. He's a political religious hack.

Truth, Mom, Apple Pie, reality mean nothing to him.

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Message 777 of 824 (884824)
03-09-2021 11:35 AM
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Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
marc9000 writes:

I said that part of the problem was that in some cases they had to be SHUT DOWN to protect themselves from damage due to wind and solar failures.

That's false.

quote:
During this week’s crisis, natural gas plants tripped offline as equipment froze, both at power facilities themselves and at wellheads, leading to a drop-off in supplies, experts said. Tripping is the sudden and often unexpected cutting off of a power facility's connection to the grid, similar to a circuit breaker.
Here's why gas and coal went offline during the Texas cold weather catastrophe

Those plants failed because they weren't protected against freezing temperatures.

The attempts by atheists to downplay the reliance by people the world over on fossil fuels is a SERIOUS problem. That we don't need fossil fuels to make those products parallels the misinformation many in the Texas general public had concerning the importance of upgrading the fossil fuel plants there.

We are all well aware of the current dependence on fossil fuels. Supporting the replacement of fossil fuels in no way indicates that we don't understand our current dependence on fossil fuels.

The fact that RESISTANCE to fossil fuel use by Democrats, could be the major contributing factor to Texas' recent failures, not only in improving fossil fuel facilities, but in providing batteries and other support that green energy needs.

Show us a single Democrat that prevented the winterization of the Texas power grid. Just one. If you can't, then admit you are wrong.


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Message 778 of 824 (884827)
03-09-2021 2:26 PM


More
The more we study these situations the more damage we uncover.

Anthropomorphic warming is causing ocean levels to rise. We know that.

But there is also the human caused buildup of structures on ocean coasts and on massive resource-rich river deltas ... which is causing those areas to sink.

Net effect is sea level rise in certain areas will be multiple times our most gloomy projections. Not to fret though. This affects just 58% of the planet's costal areas ... where most of humanity lives.

Sea-Level Rise Affects Coastal Areas 4 Times Faster Than We Thought. Here's Why

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Message 779 of 824 (884832)
03-09-2021 11:11 PM
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03-09-2021 2:26 PM


Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
Im generalizing somewhat...but by and large:

The Right believes that Jesus will return, but before that we will have wars and rumors of wars. The love of many will grow cold. Many will fall away from the "faith". There will be a false prophet and a false Christ/leaderlike character. There will be a one world government and this charismatic leader will lead the way unifying the globe.

The Left believes that global warming is inevitable and will cause tension and perhaps wars among the global population competing for resources. Science supports this belief...it is more akin to fact.

So what do both scenarios have in common?

  • Possiblke wars and rumors of wars.
  • competition for diminishing resources.
  • Displacement of large areas of population.
  • The need for consensus and common unity.

    Comments, Mr. Deity?


    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Message 780 of 824 (884834)
    03-10-2021 12:28 AM
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    Re: Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
    Good god! They are the same! The same predictions.

    And since your god saw it first and actually wrote it down thousands of years ago!?

    This IS the holy apocalypse. And I'm on the wrong team!

    No, that's the weed. Never mind.

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