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Author Topic:   Climate Change Denier comes in from the cold: SCIENCE!!!
Phat
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Message 796 of 824 (884867)
03-11-2021 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 785 by jar
03-10-2021 12:21 PM


Re: Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
jar writes:

Yet it is the belief in the human created fantasy Jesus that has led humans to ignore reality and still do nothing to mitigate the suffering they have caused.

So you are blaming belief in a fantasy as the cause of global warming? Global warming was and is caused through excessive use of fossil fuels. It is also caused naturally...it is accelerated through human irresponsibility. If you choose to blame a few million peoples religious fantasy as the cause of global warming you are simply out of touch with reality.

The bill will get paid and not by the pitiful and deplorable Jesus you and the CCoi created and market..
Ever heard of a scapegoat? The bill will get paid or attempted only to satisfy the creditors such as stodgy old Texans who count on wise investments to tide them through retirement. Or it may well be that our investments get wiped out in order to pay the bill. Neither an actual Jesus nor a fantasy Jesus will likely help us there. He may well ask you what you dislike about the group of people known as the CCoI. I fear the CCP far worse. At any rate, i'm sure that the real Jesus wants us to forgive those who have hurt us. And yes, global warming is a human responsibility if we are to live.

There will be wars and rumors of wars. Wars will be fought over which bills get paid and which don't. Blaming the Biblical Christians wont solve anything.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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AZPaul3
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Message 797 of 824 (884870)
03-11-2021 6:38 AM
Reply to: Message 787 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 2:28 PM


Re: A denier denies
A claim is not scientific unless its falsifiable... Is climate change falsifiable?

Of course.

The edifice is built on the overwhelming abundance of actual facts and data.

If we find enough facts and data that contradict our present conclusions those conclusions have been falsified.

You don't science much do you.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Message 798 of 824 (884871)
03-11-2021 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 796 by Phat
03-11-2021 3:21 AM


Re: Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
Phat writes:

So you are blaming belief in a fantasy as the cause of global warming?

No Phat, learn how to read. I'm saying that all of the suffering and deaths we will see will be the result of such fantasies. It is the stupid people that expect Jesus to fix what they broke that is the pitiful and ********** cause of what will come.

It's not too late for the Biblical Christians to throw God away and get off their asses and begin mitigation.

But the Bill will get paid and not by the picayune Jesus marketed by the CCoI.


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AZPaul3
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Message 799 of 824 (884872)
03-11-2021 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 787 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 2:28 PM


Re: A denier denies
he outsiders that the mainstream fear, made predictions that are true... The world is getting cooler.

That may be in your altered belief-based wishful-thinking fantasy world but the actual data that reality is showing us is quite the opposite.

How many top scientific studies from reputable corners agree with your fantasy-centered claim? Any?

Reality is sitting right there in front of your face. You can deny that reality all you want. It's not going away.

You are blind for the sake of your religious and political beliefs. How intellectually backward of you.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 800 of 824 (884873)
03-11-2021 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 793 by marc9000
03-10-2021 9:46 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
Yes, Green Energy Failures Helped Cause Texas Blackout Disaster

Wrong.

Blame the wind? In Texas, fossil fuels have actually played a larger role in leaving millions without power

Your lies are exposed. Your political goals in propagating these lies are also exposed and are rejected.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 801 of 824 (884874)
03-11-2021 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 789 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 7:55 PM


Re: A denier denies denying
Keep on using slander cos u have nothing else...
Hehehehe its a great way to lose an argument and look silly as well...

The bluster. This is rich.

Glowby just mopped the floor with your weak religious mind and you can't see it.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Message 802 of 824 (884877)
03-11-2021 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 796 by Phat
03-11-2021 3:21 AM


Re: Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
Phat writes:

Blaming the Biblical Christians wont solve anything.


Again, it comes down to doing what we CAN do. We can vote the Biblical Christians out of office, so they can't make it easier to blow up the earth.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Phat
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Message 803 of 824 (884884)
03-11-2021 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 798 by jar
03-11-2021 6:51 AM


Re: Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
Oh OK now I get it. But you included me in this group. I dont expect Jesus to fix anything other than my heart and mind. I realize that it is my response as well as the response of others to achieve global unity and consensus and most importantly action.

I will say, however, that there are two camps. One camp trusts Jesus.

The other camp trusts only humans. (or false deities)

jar writes:

I'm saying that all of the suffering and deaths we will see will be the result of such fantasies. It is the stupid people that expect Jesus to fix what they broke.

I don't see it as black and white as you do. Everyone...believer and unbeliever alike...have issues that can be better understood. You seem to think it is as simple as a large group of rational people vs a large group of stupid people. It isn't that simple.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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AZPaul3
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Message 804 of 824 (884885)
03-11-2021 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 803 by Phat
03-11-2021 2:56 PM


Re: Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
You seem to think it is as simple as a large group of rational people vs a large group of stupid people. It isn't that simple.

Why isn't it?

A large group of rational people say "this is bad, this is very bad" vs a large group of irrational people (to include charlatans, the greedy, the religious and politically motivated in addition to your standard nutjob) that say "hey, ain't so bad, beers cold."

Is this THAT difficult a decision?

I know, I know, this is humanity and we have a tendency to do the stupid. We can't, should, but can't help it. We have Christians and republicans or their equivalents all over the world running everything so stupid it's going to be.

Seems simple enough to me. Stupid wins.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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jar
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Message 805 of 824 (884888)
03-11-2021 4:27 PM
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03-11-2021 2:56 PM


Re: Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
It really is that simple Phat!

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Message 806 of 824 (884889)
03-11-2021 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 797 by AZPaul3
03-11-2021 6:38 AM


Re: A denier denies
Prediction made by mainstream "climate scientists" - Australia would never see snow again...
Prediction was false

Prediction made by mainstream "climate scientists" - That large parts of Australia would be underwater...
Prediction was false

Prediction made by mainstream "climate scientists" - That Australia's temperature would rise considerably...
Prediction was false

Prediction made by mainstream "climate scientists" - That the world would end...
Prediction was false

That's the end of such a hypothesis

Meanwhile, the other experts have predicted that a cool period would begin last year - Australia has just had its coldest summer in living memory, snow fell in Mexico, Egypt, and other unusual parts of the world.
Prediction was true

No wonder the mainstream refuses to debate such people...

Edited by Porkncheese, : No reason given.


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Message 807 of 824 (884890)
03-11-2021 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 806 by Porkncheese
03-11-2021 4:29 PM


Re: A denier denies
Prediction made by mainstream "climate scientists" - Australia would never see snow again...
Prediction was false

Prove it.

Prediction made by mainstream "climate scientists" - That large parts of Australia would be underwater...
Prediction was false

Prove it.

Prediction made by mainstream "climate scientists" - That Australia's temperature would rise considerably...
Prediction was false

Prove it.

Prediction made by mainstream "climate scientists" - That the world would end...
Prediction was false

Prove it.

Meanwhile, the other experts have predicted that a cool period would begin last year - Australia has just had its coldest summer in living memory, snow fell in Mexico, Egypt, and other unusual parts of the world.
Prediction was true

So what?

No wonder the mainstream refuses to debate such people...

You just made all this bullshit up.


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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 808 of 824 (884892)
03-11-2021 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 793 by marc9000
03-10-2021 9:46 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
marc9000 writes:

The second link said "several" (NOT ALL) power plants failed due to the cold. The rest were shut down to avoid a complete collapse.

It was fossil fuel power plants failing that created the sharp increase in demand that caused the still functioning fossil fuel power plants to shut down.

Not according to the false Message 658, and the reaction it got from most everyone here.

Then you need to reread those posts. Simply saying that all fossil fuel power plants could be replaced by other types of fuel is the truth. It also doesn't cast any doubt on our dependence on fossil fuels at this very moment.

No one has yet shown me any proof that Republicans were 100% responsible for a lack of upgrades to fossil fuel plants.

It was a mixture of Republicans and plant owners. Republicans threw away regulations that would have required plant operators to winterize. Those same policies also resulted in the loss of connections with surrounding states. The plant owners decided they wanted more profit, so they didn't make the changes they needed to.

You are claiming that it is the Democrats fault, somehow. Care to explain?


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Message 809 of 824 (884893)
03-11-2021 6:19 PM
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03-11-2021 4:29 PM


Re: A denier denies
Porkncheese writes:

That's the end of such a hypothesis

Scientists predicted that increasing atmospheric CO2 would lead to an overall increase in global temperatures. Hypothesis supported by overwhelming evidence.


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Message 810 of 824 (884894)
03-11-2021 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 803 by Phat
03-11-2021 2:56 PM


Re: Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
I will say, however, that there are two camps. One camp trusts Jesus.

The other camp trusts only humans. (or false deities)


There are two camps. One trusts only humans (mostly they trust themselves) but delude themselves into believing that they are trusting Jesus.

The other camp trusts reliable documented empirical evidence.


Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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