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Percy Member Posts: 22954 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
We hear about the high temperatures out there because our son lives on the west coast. The northeast has already turned cool. Last night's low was 52°, and today's high is projected to be 77°. The end of next week is projected to be warmer for a couple days, highs in the low 80's, but a very similar prediction was made for this week and it didn't happen.
But what's been nicest about recent weather is the lower humidity. The almost constant 90%+ humidity during the day over the summer was a lot to bear for anyone engaged in physical activities like yardwork or sports. Yesterday the humidity during the afternoon was around 50% - it was wonderful. --Percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1
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The light is very strange here today because of wildfire smoke. I went over to my stream for a few minutes but my throat started feeling raw so it looks like a day indoors processing images today. Normally we can see both the Cascades and the Coast Range from here but today I can't see Knox Butte a couple miles away. The temp is ramping up pretty fast today.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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RenaissanceMan Junior Member Posts: 30 From: Anaheim Joined: |
From AZPaul3:
“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” - -Daniel Dennett _________________________________ The illusion is all Dennett's. Eighty-five percent of Nobel Laureates in the 20th Century were Believers in Nature's God. I cannot believe that our existence in this universe is a mere quirk of fate, an accident of history, an incidental blip in the great cosmic drama… Through conscious beings the universe has generated self-awareness. This can be no trivial detail, no minor by-product of mindless, purposeless forces. We are truly meant to be here. (Paul Davies, The Mind of God, Simon & Schuster, New York, 1992, p 232) Life forms are more than simply multiple and diverse, however. Organisms fit remarkably well into the external world in which they live. They have morphologies, physiologies and behaviors that appear to have been carefully and artfully designed to enable each organism to appropriate the world around it for its own life. It was the marvelous fit of organisms to the environment, much more than the great diversity of forms, that was the chief evidence of a Supreme Designer. (Richard Lewontin, Scientific American, September 1978, p. 213) How many more citations from learned scientists similar to these would you like? I have compiled very many.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1 |
I have no idea why you are posting your message to AZPaul in a response to me, but since you did, I will comment.
It makes no difference what Nobel Laureates or any other scientist believes, because that word "believes" means they have absolutely no physical evidence of any deities. Not one of them published a scientific paper in a scientific journal documenting testable evidence of "god." Their opinions about "god" are as worthless as their opinions about flying saucers and aliens. It's embarrassing that adult humans believe in an invisible friend.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
He's a troll?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1 |
He's a troll? Yeah, but not a very bright one.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.6 |
quote: Not bright enough to post on topic. Likely dumb enough to think we’ll fall for the obvious quote mine. And dumb enough to claim responsibility for it, too.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6077 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Do you have anything to say? Is there some kind of point that you're trying to make? If you do, then please make it. If you just came here to vomit up creationist BS, then at least have the common courtesy of cleaning up after yourself.
Common practice here is to use dBCodes; eg:
If you see something in a message and you want to see how they did that, then click on the Peek in the lower-right corner of the message, right next to the Reply button that you have already found. Text placed under a horizontal rule (ie, <HR ALIGN=LEFT WIDTH=25%>) is your signature. Beneath the edit box you type your reply into are two check boxes, one of which is Include signature. I will check mine to show you what a signature looks like.
A signature is NOT part of your reply. That means that if you place your reply in the signature portion of your message, then NOBODY IS GOING TO KNOW TO READ IT. Here's an example of a qs-block: RenaissanceMan writes: How many more citations from learned scientists similar to these would you like? I have compiled very many. You can see how that immediately calls our attention to that to which you are replying (though if you are a typical creationist, then you will never actually address the message to which you claim to be replying). And I'm sure that every one of those "citations" is a lie. We have a lot of experience with creationists and how they roll. Now, regarding your quote-mining of Richard Lewontin, do kindly include the next few sentences from that article. The vast majority of the time, the simplest and quickest way to expose how a creationist is lying about his quote-mined source is to go to the source and read the next sentence. Since I am in the process of packing to move, my copy of that article is in a sealed box. But in the meantime, here is what he had to say about stupid lying creationists who misquote him citing the very quote-mined lie that you posted here; from the NCSE article Misquoted Scientists Respond (Creation/Evolution Journal, Volume 2, No. 4, Fall 1981):
Richard Lewontin: Here is the introductory text of that article:
quote: This is why those of us familiar with creationism and creationists have such a low opinion those "Liars for the Lord". Just because you're from Anaheim doesn't give you license to mickey-mouse everything. And as promised, below is one of my signatures. Edited by dwise1, : Added example of a qs-block [When you search for God, y]ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy. ("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984) Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.(from filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML) Of course, if Dr. Mortimer's surmise should be correct and we are dealing with forces outside the ordinary laws of Nature, there is an end of our investigation. But we are bound to exhaust all other hypotheses before falling back upon this one.(Sherlock Holmes in The Hound of the Baskervilles) Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32) It is a well-known fact that reality has a definite liberal bias.Steven Colbert on NPR
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Percy Member Posts: 22954 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Hi, RenaissanceMan, welcome aboard. Sorry you got such a hostile welcome.
Paul Davies writes: I cannot believe that our existence in this universe is a mere quirk of fate, an accident of history, an incidental blip in the great cosmic drama… Through conscious beings the universe has generated self-awareness. This can be no trivial detail, no minor by-product of mindless, purposeless forces. We are truly meant to be here. (Paul Davies, The Mind of God, Simon & Schuster, New York, 1992, p 232) me writes: I believe that our existence in this universe is a mere quirk of fate, an accident of history, an incidental blip in the great cosmic drama… Through conscious beings the universe has generated self-awareness. This doesn't imply meaning or intent, or that we are meant to be here. (me, here, now) Paul Davies believes one thing, I believe the opposite. Now what? Maybe...evidence? And here's your Lewontin quote, in precisely the way you quoted it (you left out a paragraph break):
quote: Your quote is from a Scientific American article titled Adaptation where he makes clear he's actually saying the opposite of what your quote makes him appear to be saying, which is lying on your part, usually thought to be an unChristian thing to do. Here's a fuller quote that makes clear his meaning.
quote: But this lying didn't originate with you. What no-doubt-Christian website did you get it from? Do the ends justify the means for Christians? Is "lying for God" okay if it creates more believers? And last but by no means least:
RenaissanceMan writes in Message 978: How many more citations from learned scientists similar to these would you like? I have compiled very many. Discussions here attempts to avoid fallacies, in this case the fallacy of the argument from authority. The foundation of debate here is evidence. If you have evidence we'd love to see it. But not in this thread. You're off-topic here. This thread is about climate change. --Percy
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6077 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
He's a troll? Well, school has just started, so he's probably just yet another Christian school student who has been given an assignment to join an "evolutionist" forum and dump a load of steaming hot cow patties (AKA "taurine coproforms", BS) all over the place. Besides following the pattern of going out and make yourself a complete asshole so that you get flak after which you slink back to your fellow cult members and commiserate how "everybody hates us because they hate God ... ". It reminds me of 5 O'Clock Charlie which was depicted in an episode of M*A*S*H where every day an enemy pilot would fly over in a loud plane and drop one bomb, not to do any actual damage but rather as harassment for psychological effect. In WWII my father talked about that on Saipan, saying that the plane's engines were deliberately placed out of balance to make it louder, hence the "washing machine" appellation. From that link:
5 o'clock Charlie:
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6077 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
He's a troll? Looks like it's worse than we thought. I thought that RenaissanceMan's website looked too familiar, so I searched for it and found it in this Message 2929 (09-Apr-2024):
ChemEngineer writes: Here is the website I created to show others how the poorest people on earth live: The Miserable End of Darwinism It's informative to most people if not you, Mister Dunning-Kruger. Ironically, he was replying to himself, self-identifying as suffering from the Dunning-Kruger Effect. And that is the exact same URL for the website claimed by RenaissanceMan, meaning that RenaissanceMan and ChemEngineer are one and the same. It was also the topic, The Miserable End of Darwinian Evolution, which he proposed but which was never promoted for the same reason that his current attempt won't be promoted: he only "argues" through quotes. ChemEngineer disappeared after 18 posts. I predict that RenaissanceMan will not last as long and will likewise disappear only to reappear months later in a different guise. ChemEngineer gave his location as Irvine, CA, and his date of birth as 28 Oct 1946. From his email address we deduce that his name is John Jaeger. On amazon.com we find that John Phillip Jaeger self-published a book, Brilliant Creations: The Wonder of Nature and Life, like other Dunning-Kruger sufferers we've seen here have done. ChemEngineer make all kinds of unsupported assertions which were repeatedly refuted and ignored repeated admin admonitions to support his claims, etc, which he ignored. ChemEngineer last posted on 09-Apr-2024. Now he has reappeared as RenaissanceMan with an even more unreadable message style. This time he gives his location as Anaheim (about 8 miles from Irvine), has a different email address which does not reveal his name, and has withheld his date of birth. Basically, it looks like some superficial efforts to cover his tracks so that he can post his nonsense anew. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if he were to employ his two identities as sockpuppets to engage in a "discussion", especially for one to end up profusely agreeing with and praising the other -- I've seen that done before. Why do creationists have to be so crassly dishonest? Sorry, I forgot: they have nothing else.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Well that is against the rules. He breaks a lot of rules. A Liar for Jesus.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Admin Director Posts: 13108 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Hi RenaissanceMan aka ChemEngineer. Your two accounts have been merged. It was detected because you had identical IPs and were posting in a similar manner. Mostly the profile settings from the RenaissanceMan account have been retained.
Participating as two accounts is against the Forum Guidelines:
You are violating the Forum Guidelines on a regular basis, which warrants greater attention. From here on I'll be moderating your participation, even in threads in which I'm participating as Percy. I'll ask the rhetorical question that has already been asked: Why is it always the creationists and Christians who do these types of things. Follow the rules. What is so hard to understand about that?
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RenaissanceMan Junior Member Posts: 30 From: Anaheim Joined: |
Dear Forum Director,
I participate in many different arenas. This was one of them some months ago, but lots of things have changed in the last few years. First, I found this "forum" to be founded on lies and hatred. You atheists don't participate in "Understanding through Discussion." Rather you participate in hatefulness, condescension, ganging up on Christians who put forth anything which disturbs your hotbed of hatred and superiority, until most anyone would never want to come back unless they were as miserably hateful and godless as your entire group. But I am persistent and thought i would try to present some new observations, particularly the insuperable statistics of naturalistic polypeptide synthesis. All any of your cohorts has to do is call me names, claim intellectual superiority, and he/you win, I lose. Your field, your grotesque rules. You make your own hell here and you enjoy it very much. I attempted to sign in under my original name but was unable to do so. Therefore I decided to use a different name to present what I think are important ideas. I have a lot of them. You atheists obviously do not, with one-track minds. I wrote a book of inspirational science which a medical doctor said is "beyond incredible. Required reading for every literate human." I have been around the world many times, speak French, am a licensed pilot, certified diver, expert snow skier, double black diamond, and have many other achievements I need not go into here. And you? Yes, you made your own hell, and anyone deigning to try to teach you anything is a "troll" and will not last long in the hell you made and maintain. You make certain of that.
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Zucadragon Member Posts: 142 From: Netherlands Joined: |
First, I found this "forum" to be founded on lies and hatred Point out the lies and hatred. See, I think a person deserves respect when they've earned it, that isn't hard to do, but it does take some action. Like over here: Message 978 you specifically do something called a quote mine, an out of context quote missing parts to create a narrative that the actual author didn't intend. When you're confronted about this and corrected on this. You do not accept that, you move on to something else, something new. This means you're lying. So far from anything, you don't get to be the arbiter of what is lying when you yourself have no problem lying. In the best case scenario, you're very wilfully ignorant. Which still isn't good. If a simple correction of something you said can't be dealt with in an honest manner by you, why should anyone put any stock in what you have to say? You're willing to lie on something small, who knows how many big lies are easy for you to make as well. You are making yourself untrustworthy through your actions, and there's only one way to fix that, by openly and solidly confronting the criticism you are getting. If you deflect or move on to something new, everyone will be like 'ahhhh, one of those, hot air, no substance, a lot of bla bla bla. Will you do confront your own mistakes? Like the quotemine and those have pointed out how wrong you are with that quote?
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