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nwr
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Message 226 of 313 (751632)
03-04-2015 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Faith
03-04-2015 1:05 PM


I happen to care about the condition of society itself, not just my own little life, which has never been a part of my thinking on this.
Society is doing just fine, except for the religious right who are out of touch with reality.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 227 of 313 (751633)
03-04-2015 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by New Cat's Eye
03-04-2015 1:08 PM


So, doom and gloom from the Almighty God if we let them gays get married?
Oh, the irony. The bible thumping bigots like Faith do everything right and they still end up in Hell because they didn't stop the rest of us from having fun. Now that adds some zest to life.....we can pay those assholes back for being such shits!

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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 228 of 313 (751645)
03-04-2015 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Faith
03-04-2015 11:28 AM


Oh excuuuuuse ME. I forget how addicted to sophistic nonsense you all are here. Of course what I MEANT was SODOMITES, HOMOSEXJUALS, those whose sexual MODE is sodomy.
Ok, I'm not gonna push the point - but if you are going to maintain that you have nothing personal against homosexual people, then you should be aware that many people will see "sodomites" as a somewhat pejorative term.
It's about the simple objective fact that heterosexuals are DESIGNED for each other and that together they have the physical capacity to produce babies. Oh and please spare me all the sophistry about the exceptions, the infertilities and so on, they don't affect the basic fact of the design for fit that is the apparatus of reproduction.
There's no doubt that the sexual organs have evolved (you'd say they've been designed, but we'll agree to differ on that, for fear of going off topic), to fit into each other, and enable reproduction. Where we differ is that you think that is sufficient to support your prejudice - whereas I say "Yes - but so what ?"
You see, to go from evolutionary fit, to moral judgment, you need a connecting logical argument. I believe you don't have one. Hence you sticking with "but it's not what they were designed for." That's not an argument - it's a restatement of a fact, which is irrelevant to marriage (unless you can provide a logical connection between the two).
it's about SOCIAL RULES AND STANDARDS, it's about the MEANING OF THINGS, it's about the social consciousness of SIMPLE REALITY, those are what are hurt by marrying people who are not designed to fit together.
No. Abstract concepts cannot be hurt. They can be changed, however, so that they stop hurting people by discriminating against them.
P.S. And by the way, those "cradles of civilization" both imploded and no longer exist, right? Even secular historians have blamed that on their sexual perversities among other corruptions.
There were a few Victorian historians who ran that line - they were to some extent a product of the prejudices of their time. But I would be utterly fascinated to see you provide a reasoned argument, as to why an acceptance of homosexual relationships led to the downfall of Greece or Rome. (Not just a coincidence of the two states of affairs - a reasoned argument as to cause and effect).
Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 229 of 313 (751666)
03-04-2015 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by New Cat's Eye
03-04-2015 1:08 PM


So, doom and gloom from the Almighty God if we let them gays get married?
Is that about all of it?
Or is there some other way that you think gay marriage is going to affect the condition of society?
What I find so curious is the idea that God cares so much about the geography of gay marriage. It didn't seem to ruffle Faith's feathers that gay marriage has been happening for 20 years or so in other countries. In fact, legalization of gay marriage in a state where Faith does not live doesn't seem to be much of a problem. But when it happens to occur within the imaginary lines that contains Faith on a map, then God is out for blood. Gay couples in Birmingham, England? No prob. Gay couples in Birmingham, Alabama? THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!
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Faith 
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Message 230 of 313 (751667)
03-04-2015 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by vimesey
03-04-2015 3:13 PM


Mind rape is the social consequence that probably bothers me most, as in the substitution of a fantasy about marriage and sex and family, in place of reality. Big fat pretense. Charade. Emperor's new clothes, officially enforced. Or RAZD's favorite concept which he always misuses: Cognitive Dissonance, enforced by authority. One bit of that being using words in a twisted way: "wife" can now be a man, or it can be a woman "married to" another woman, as "husband" can now be a woman, or a man married to a man. I worry about what such nonsense does to children's minds, and to public consciousness in general. Recipe for confusion, cynicism, and REAL cognitive dissonance that unstrings the mental processes. Apparently you don't worry about any of this. You're all caught up in this bogus idea of fairness and equality.
I think the physiological "fit" is sufficient to define who's fit for marriage and who isn't but apparently you don't and that just makes continued discussion along those lines futile.
And I used "sodomites" in the specific context of answering the tiresome sophistry about sodomy among heterosexuals, to TRY to make it clear I was talking about a physiological reality rather than a subjective preference. But no slight ambiguity or attempt to clarify an ambiguity will go unpunished here.
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Message 231 of 313 (751668)
03-04-2015 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Faith
03-04-2015 7:48 AM


Not just America: people have equal rights to marriage in the UK as well. My mum (who is a gay) will most likely be getting married, soon.
I do like weddings.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Message 232 of 313 (751669)
03-04-2015 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Larni
03-04-2015 6:21 PM


And the UK and Europe are way ahead of us too. If "ahead" is the right word.

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Message 233 of 313 (751670)
03-04-2015 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Faith
03-04-2015 6:20 PM


So, in other words, no evidence, just paranoid fantasy.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 234 of 313 (751671)
03-04-2015 6:43 PM
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03-04-2015 6:42 PM


In other words reality escapes all of you.

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Message 235 of 313 (751672)
03-04-2015 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Larni
03-04-2015 6:21 PM


Maybe you'll be able to give the bride away!

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 236 of 313 (751673)
03-04-2015 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Faith
03-04-2015 6:43 PM


Always good for a chuckle, I gotta give you that.
Here's one just for you, sweetie.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Tanypteryx
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Message 237 of 313 (751675)
03-04-2015 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Faith
03-04-2015 6:20 PM


Just more Fox Fundamentalism. It just sucks for you to be in our world doesn't it?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 238 of 313 (751676)
03-04-2015 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Tanypteryx
03-04-2015 6:52 PM


No idea what Fox Fundamentalism is, don't watch Fox. My ideas are my own. I'm not worried about me in this world, I'll be fine, it's others who need to worry.
Well, I DO worry about my grandsons. But at least they have me to pray for them.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 239 of 313 (751678)
03-04-2015 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Faith
03-04-2015 7:04 PM


Faith writes:
My ideas are my own.
Well, that's true.
Faith writes:
Well, I DO worry about my grandsons. But at least they have me to pray for them.
Maybe they'll be okay anyway.
Edited by subbie, : Quotefail

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 240 of 313 (751679)
03-04-2015 7:26 PM



Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

  
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