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Author Topic:   Roy Moore, Alabama Chief Idiot back in the news yet again.
Faith 
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Message 16 of 313 (749967)
02-10-2015 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by subbie
02-10-2015 4:18 PM


I made neither an accusation nor a claim. I asked a question.
This is what you said:
So you don't think the Constitution should be the supreme law of the land?
Technically it's a question but it's really more of an accusation that I don't think the Constitution should be the supreme law of the land.
Of course I think it should.

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AZPaul3
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Message 17 of 313 (749969)
02-10-2015 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Faith
02-10-2015 5:07 PM


...Constitution should be the supreme law of the land.
Of course I think it should.
But who's interpretation of the Constitution is to prevail? One of your churches or maybe the one branch of government Constitutionally empowered to be the final interpreter?
If you support the constitution then you must agree with the provisions giving SCOTUS the final say. Note I did not say you must agree with their rulings, but you must acknowledge the finality of those rulings in law.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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subbie
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Message 18 of 313 (749973)
02-10-2015 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Faith
02-10-2015 5:07 PM


Faith writes:
Of course I think it should.
Good.
What do you think should happen to state laws that run afoul of the Constitution?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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NoNukes
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Message 19 of 313 (749975)
02-10-2015 5:58 PM
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02-10-2015 10:31 AM


But remember Winston County.
Oooh. Nice one Jar. Hey didn't you get suspended once for posting a reference that we had to look up to understand? LoL
once again just as back in 1861
Or in 1963.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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ooh-child
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Message 20 of 313 (749976)
02-10-2015 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Faith
02-10-2015 3:30 PM


Since I've answered them all a bazillion times before...
No, you never answered my question to you, but I'll ask again.
What happens when a state has a vote to allow gay folks to marry the person they choose. Then, a few years later, another vote is held and the 'traditionalists' prevail. When does the voting stop? Don't you see the problem here?

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jar
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Message 21 of 313 (749980)
02-10-2015 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by NoNukes
02-10-2015 5:58 PM


mostly adults
Oooh. Nice one Jar. Hey didn't you get suspended once for posting a reference that we had to look up to understand? LoL
Only once? I must be remiss or slipping.
Or in 1963.
What is so funny about Roy Moore (beyond just his general antics and ignorance) is that there was speculation a few years back that he planned to run as a Presidential Candidate of the Constitutional Party. It makes you wonder if he has ever read the Constitution or like Biblical Christians and the Bible just listened to the sermons and apologists.
Hopefully though the spirit of Winston County still lives in Alabama. A good sign is that when Roy baby ran for governor of the State of Alabama he could not garner even twenty percent of the vote.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Faith 
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Message 22 of 313 (749986)
02-10-2015 8:47 PM
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02-10-2015 5:43 PM


I think it's the SCOTUS who are acting unconstitutionally by calling the vote by state citizens unconstitutional. And I believe four of the nine SCOTUS agree with me, it's just that we happen to have a wildly politically correct majority in the five who would overthrow the votes. This has happened in state after state now, state citizens voting against gay marriage and courts telling them they have no right to their vote. This is what is unconstitutional.
ooh child wants to know what about the people voting one way one time and another way another time and doesn't that sort of make the whole thing untenable? Of course not, that's democracy.

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Faith 
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Message 23 of 313 (749987)
02-10-2015 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by AZPaul3
02-10-2015 5:18 PM


Even Thomas Jefferson warned that SCOTUS could get too much power, and he was right.

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Message 24 of 313 (749989)
02-10-2015 8:53 PM
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02-10-2015 8:47 PM


ooh child wants to know what about the people voting one way one time and another way another time and doesn't that sort of make the whole thing untenable? Of course not, that's democracy.
The best solution to that problem if it's likely to happen, is stay with tradition, and LEAVE IT ALONE!

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NoNukes
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Message 25 of 313 (749991)
02-10-2015 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Faith
02-10-2015 8:47 PM


I think it's the SCOTUS who are acting unconstitutionally by calling the vote by state citizens unconstitutional.
When did the Supreme Court do that with regard to gay marriage? Has someone jumped the gun here? Aren't all of these latest rulings Federal Circuit Court rulings?
The constitution places limits on what things you can do with popular vote. You and you buddies cannot suddenly to vote on whether women should have the vote vote, or that people born in this county are not citizens no matter how much you hate the idea. On balance that's likely a good thing.
If you really cannot stand to abide by those limits, there are plenty of Western democracies which don't have a bill of rights. Of course you may need to leave your guns here when you go.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Faith 
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Message 26 of 313 (749992)
02-10-2015 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by NoNukes
02-10-2015 9:18 PM


They just did it with Alabama, you missed it? Justice Thomas actually objected to their doing that because it signals what their vote will be in April. Here's the
Washington Post on it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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NoNukes
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Message 27 of 313 (749993)
02-10-2015 9:31 PM
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02-10-2015 9:25 PM


The Supreme Court did not rule on the issue. The SC simply did not block a lower court ruling.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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subbie
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Message 28 of 313 (749994)
02-10-2015 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Faith
02-10-2015 8:47 PM


Wonderful. That's what we call non-responsive.
Just in case you're interested in answering the question I actually asked, I'll repeat it: What do you think should happen to state laws that run afoul of the the Constitution?
Feel free to continue to ignore it if you like.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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jar
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Message 29 of 313 (749995)
02-10-2015 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Faith
02-10-2015 8:47 PM


you really haven't read the Constitution have you Faith
Faith writes:
I think it's the SCOTUS who are acting unconstitutionally by calling the vote by state citizens unconstitutional.
Now that is a great example of willful ignorance Faith. You haven't read the US Constitution or the Bible have you Faith?
Please explain how the SCOTUS can act unconstitutionally, Faith as well as provide the evidence that has happened, or is this just another of your unsupported assertions?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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subbie
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Message 30 of 313 (749996)
02-10-2015 10:17 PM
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02-10-2015 9:53 PM


Re: you really haven't read the Constitution have you Faith
I'm pretty sure she just means she doesn't like what they're doing. But saying they are acting unconstitutionally sounds better.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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