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Percy
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Message 76 of 313 (750105)
02-11-2015 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
02-11-2015 2:15 PM


Faith writes:
So Christians running a business are fair game, no more First Amendment for them.
Yes, of course. Fundamentalist Christians are protected by the First Amendment in the free exercise of their religion. They are not protected by the First Amendment in the running of their business, which is a secular activity.
--Percy

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Message 77 of 313 (750108)
02-11-2015 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Percy
02-11-2015 2:55 PM


So you keep saying, and I keep answering that that is just a clever way of denying us our First Amendment protection.

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PaulK
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Message 78 of 313 (750111)
02-11-2015 3:00 PM
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02-11-2015 2:49 PM


There's no doubt that gays are a minority. There is no doubt that they have been and still are discriminated against. These are simple facts. You are the one being arbitrary here.

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PaulK
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Message 79 of 313 (750115)
02-11-2015 3:04 PM
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02-11-2015 2:50 PM


quote:
Activist in this case means acting against the Constitution. The two you are calling activist are acting in favor of the ConstitutIon
Really? Where does the Constitution say that local officials can override Constituional rights, or can refuse to obey the Federal courts in Constitutional matters?

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Faith 
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Message 80 of 313 (750116)
02-11-2015 3:07 PM
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02-11-2015 2:49 PM


I also "discriminate" against Nazis who want a cake celebrating Holocaust Denial, and against the Klan who want a cake celebrating white superiority and against Muslims who want a cake saying Allah has no son, and the like. All this is ALREADY part of my beliefs and the beliefs of Christians for millennia and now you invent this bogus special "minority" to harass us.

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Message 81 of 313 (750117)
02-11-2015 3:08 PM
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02-11-2015 3:00 PM


Nazis are a minority too. So are pedophiles.
Until very very recently even nonChristians considered homosexuality to be either sin or an aberrant condition. The idea that they are an oppressed minority is very recent and it is evil.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 82 of 313 (750121)
02-11-2015 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Faith
02-11-2015 2:21 PM


I know because I've lived in this state most of my life, Faith. I also read, and local polls have changed drastically over the years. I also understand our horribly misused proposition system, and see how easily my scenerio could happen in CA.
Please address my question. You are proposing a solution, so tell me how it works.

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subbie
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Message 83 of 313 (750122)
02-11-2015 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Faith
02-11-2015 2:14 PM


Re: The jokes just keep coming
You remember how businesses used to be able to refuse to serve blacks?
You remember how there used to be separate drinking fountains for blacks?
You remember how there used to be all kinds of laws that interfered with blacks being able to vote?
You remember how blacks weren't permitted to buy houses in some parts of town?
You remember how there used to be separate schools for blacks?
You remember how some states had laws prohibiting blacks and white from marrying one another?
All of these injustices have been reduced or eliminated because of the Fourteenth Amendment. Some people, such as yourself, would like to continue to perpetrate some of those very same injustices on gays. Fortunately, most of the country has realized that's wrong, leaving you and your little band of like-minded nuts to pull hair and rend garments about how unfair it is that you have to treat everyone fairly and not just the people you like.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 84 of 313 (750124)
02-11-2015 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Faith
02-11-2015 2:58 PM


So you keep saying, and I keep answering that that is just a clever way of denying us our First Amendment protection.
What are you talking about? The First Amendment does not allow public business to discriminate.
And being unable to discriminate with your public business in no way affects your ability to practice your religion.

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Faith 
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Message 85 of 313 (750126)
02-11-2015 3:54 PM
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02-11-2015 3:25 PM


Re: The jokes just keep coming
Blacks are a human race who deserve equal treatment. On the other hand, homosexuality is a Sin/Aberration. We don't give special rights to sins. We don't give special rights to pedophiles or prostitutes or cheats and liars and thieves and murderers: we TAKE AWAY their rights. All you've done is redefine a sin category into an Oppressed Minority category. That's called in the Bible "calling evil good and good evil" in Isaiah 5:20. This is what GOD says, and what YOU say doesn't count against what God says.

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Percy
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Message 86 of 313 (750128)
02-11-2015 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Faith
02-11-2015 2:58 PM


Faith writes:
So you keep saying, and I keep answering that that is just a clever way of denying us our First Amendment protection.
Businesses never had any First Amendment protections. Owners and employees of businesses are not free to inflict their personal religious prejudices on the general public. They have to treat everyone equally.
This principle protects everyone, including you. Dover, Pennsylvania, became divided over the evolution issue a few years ago. Businesses on one side could not refuse to do business with those on the other. Otherwise someone like you might go to the market and place your goods on the counter only to be told, "Your money's no good here. Why don't you just turn around and walk out that door."
--Percy

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subbie
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Message 87 of 313 (750130)
02-11-2015 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Faith
02-11-2015 3:54 PM


Re: The jokes just keep coming
Faith writes:
We don't give special rights to sins.
We don't give special rights to gays, either. We only give them the same rights everyone else has, the right to marry the person they love.
Faith writes:
That's called in the Bible "calling evil good and good evil" in Isaiah 5:20. This is what GOD says, and what YOU say doesn't count against what God says.
You love to crow about what the bible says, and how so many other people's beliefs are non-biblical. Here's a question for you. Where in the bible does it say it's a sin to bake a cake for a gay wedding? Give me a quote along with chapter and verse.
Also, in this country, we don't base our laws on what anyone's god says. That IS in the Constitution.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Faith 
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Message 88 of 313 (750131)
02-11-2015 4:07 PM
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02-11-2015 4:06 PM


Re: The jokes just keep coming
Marriage for a sin class is a special right. The very idea is evil.

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Faith 
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Message 89 of 313 (750132)
02-11-2015 4:08 PM
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02-11-2015 4:06 PM


Re: The jokes just keep coming
As a matter of fact US Law was based originally on Blackstone who based his commentaries on law as derived from the Bible.

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Theodoric
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Message 90 of 313 (750133)
02-11-2015 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Faith
02-11-2015 1:26 PM


This is a very recently made-up application of marriage to a bogus group that has no business getting married.
Oh I forgot you are the arbiter of all that is right and good in the world.
My niece deserves every right to get married as anyone else. Just because you follow bronze age proscriptions does that mean that the rest of us have to. Still you wonder why your feeble religion is becoming more and more irrelevant.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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