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Faith 
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Message 301 of 1053 (751926)
03-06-2015 9:09 PM
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03-06-2015 8:57 PM


Re: Iridium boundary layer
I was answering a different post so if you want to know why I said what I said go back and read it in context.
A HUGE amount of the observed facts fit the Flood explanation. The strata and the fossils both fit it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 302 of 1053 (751927)
03-06-2015 9:10 PM
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03-06-2015 9:05 PM


Re: Iridium boundary layer
Point was it can't be used as evidence against the Flood.
And no one was doing so.

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Faith 
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Message 303 of 1053 (751928)
03-06-2015 9:11 PM
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03-06-2015 8:37 PM


Re: The Topic
Whatever I conceded I didn't concede the whole general point.

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Faith 
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Message 304 of 1053 (751929)
03-06-2015 9:11 PM
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03-06-2015 9:10 PM


Re: Iridium boundary layer
Great. I'm sure ThinAir was working up to it though.

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edge
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Message 305 of 1053 (751930)
03-06-2015 9:12 PM
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03-06-2015 9:08 PM


Re: Iridium boundary layer
Don't know anything about Price. The information Clark produced about the great extent of the rock sheets is consistent with the idea of the Flood.
You keep saying things like this, but you never say why it is so.

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edge
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Message 306 of 1053 (751932)
03-06-2015 9:15 PM
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03-06-2015 9:09 PM


Re: Iridium boundary layer
[qs]A HUGE amount of the observed facts fit the Flood explanation. The strata and the fossils both fit it./qs
Then you science is lame.
Facts to not fit a theory. A theory fits the facts.
But again, I would like an explanation of your explanation. Just saying that 'da fludde explains (everything)' is disingenuous and naive.

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Faith 
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Message 307 of 1053 (751933)
03-06-2015 9:16 PM
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03-06-2015 9:12 PM


Re: Iridium boundary layer
Sure isn't consistent with the idea of deposition over millions of years. Sheesh, is THAT idea nuts. Huge areas of flat horizontal rocks of one sediment? But it IS consistent with the idea of deposition by huge waves covering the land as the Flood receded.

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edge
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Message 308 of 1053 (751934)
03-06-2015 9:16 PM
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03-06-2015 9:11 PM


Re: Iridium boundary layer
Great. I'm sure ThinAir was working up to it though.
I'm sure you would know ... that miraculous mind-reading power of YECs is well-documented.

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Message 309 of 1053 (751935)
03-06-2015 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by ThinAirDesigns
03-06-2015 8:22 PM


green river varves
ThinAirDesigns meet Faith, as you may surmise from this brief experience Faith will go on for hundreds of posts defending her imagination. This has hijacked several threads in the past, and continuing to reply as you have will only encourage this to continue.
Faith is adamant that her interpretation of the bible is absolutely true, and I'm sure you are familiar with this type of arguments.
For instance if there are ~260 meters of thin varves, then the flood is responsible for depositing each one, regardless of how much time is needed for each layer to deposit out of suspension in a water column, with organic matter in one layer and absent in the alternate layer.
Green River Formation - Wikipedia
quote:
The Green River Formation is an Eocene geologic formation that records the sedimentation in a group of intermountain lakes in three basins along the present-day Green River in Colorado, Wyoming, and Utah. The sediments are deposited in very fine layers, a dark layer during the growing season and a light-hue inorganic layer in the dry season. Each pair of layers is called a varve and represents one year. The sediments of the Green River Formation present a continuous record of six million years. The mean thickness of a varve here is 0.18 mm, with a minimum thickness of 0.014 mm and maximum of 9.8 mm.[1]
The sedimentary layers were formed in a large area named for the Green River, a tributary of the Colorado River. The three separate basins lie around the Uinta Mountains of northeastern Utah:
quick calcs 260/(0.18/1000) = 1.4 million layers ... at 1 layer per hour that would take over 160 years ... 1 layer per minute would take 2.75 years ...
... and in the middle of this rapid deposition we have this (wiki again) ...
quote:
Stromatolite fossil from the Eocene Lake Gosuite, Laney Member, Green River Formation of south-western Wyoming
Note the growth rings for this artifact that somehow grew in the middle of this murky deposition ...
There are also evaporite layers covering thousands of sq ft ...
Also see Glenn Morton ASA - January 1998: Re: Green River varves
I thought you might like this Lesson Plan:
Indiana University Bloomington
quote:
Students count the number of varves (annual layers of sediment) in shale billets, taken from the Green River Formation in Wyoming, formed during the Eocene. The count is then extended to reflect the entire 260 meters of sediments where the billets originated, a period of nearly 2 million years during which the annual lake sediments (varves) were laid down (DON'T TELL THIS TO STUDENTS. LET THEM DISCOVER IT). This provides a vivid tangible experience to see real data first hand showing the passage of at least nearly 2 million years for the existence of a large lake, in contrast to a traditional view that the entire Earth is only about 6-10 thousand years!
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edge
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Message 310 of 1053 (751936)
03-06-2015 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 307 by Faith
03-06-2015 9:16 PM


Re: Iridium boundary layer
Sure isn't consistent with the idea of deposition over millions of years.
Why not?
Because you say so?
Sheesh, is THAT idea nuts. Huge areas of flat horizontal rocks of one sediment?
Again, why not? And what area are you talking about. Please stop generalizing and give us facts.
But it IS consistent with the idea of deposition by huge waves covering the land as the Flood receded.
How is that? Give us a model, some kind of example or documentation. Or you could just say it's was pink unicorns.

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Faith 
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Message 311 of 1053 (751937)
03-06-2015 9:20 PM
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03-06-2015 9:15 PM


Re: Iridium boundary layer
Facts fit theory, theory fits facts. Flood and strata and fossils are a match however you say it. Layered discrete sediments certainly do NOT fit the millions of years scenario except by the most ridiculously ad hoc attempts at scenario-creation. Walther's Law very likely explanation of strata as laid down in rising and falling sea level. Bazillions of dead things exactly what the Flood did.

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Faith 
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Message 312 of 1053 (751938)
03-06-2015 9:21 PM
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03-06-2015 9:19 PM


Re: Iridium boundary layer
My you do seem to lack basic scientific imagination. Tsk tsk.

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edge
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Message 313 of 1053 (751939)
03-06-2015 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by RAZD
03-06-2015 9:18 PM


Re: green river varves
Faith is adamant that her interpretation of the bible is absolutely true, and I'm sure you are familiar with this type of arguments.
Quite the point. These are often Faith's arguments and no one else's. They are self-generated fantasies without support, just wishful assertions.

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Faith 
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Message 314 of 1053 (751940)
03-06-2015 9:24 PM
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03-06-2015 9:18 PM


Re: green river varves
Yes, ThinAir, you and others should stop answering me. It's the only reason I'm on the thread you know, answering all the blithering nonsense that's thrown at me,. Just ignore me, I'll go away. I said all I wanted to say in the first post.
But that striated fossil is sure purty.

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Message 315 of 1053 (751941)
03-06-2015 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 307 by Faith
03-06-2015 9:16 PM


Re: Iridium boundary layer
Faith writes:
Sure isn't consistent with the idea of deposition over millions of years. Sheesh, is THAT idea nuts. Huge areas of flat horizontal rocks of one sediment? But it IS consistent with the idea of deposition by huge waves covering the land as the Flood receded.
We know that you keep asserting that Faith but what is the process where your flood only deposits dinosaurs and remains like the White Cliffs of Dover but then stops and only deposits an iridium layer and then stops again and deposits birds and mammals but no more dinosaurs?
A link to where you provide the model and method for your flood to do that would really help.
Once we get that information we can move on to see how you explain all the other evidence that has been gathered over the last 200 years or so.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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