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Jon Inactive Member |
For the most part, employers who cut hours and blamed it on ACA were full of crap. Agreed.
I don't blame ACA for those actions. Neither do I.
You are not providing an argument or an explanation. You are just asserting stuff. Of course. I'm just giving an opinion based on how weaselly big companies are.
The service providers have already demonstrated that they do not require government excuses to pass on high costs and poor service to customers. Sure. But they can do even more of it if they can blame it on the government; and they might create a few Rediculouscans in the process.
What I am asking is an explanation of why customers should expect worse from ISPs under net neutrality than without net neutrality. I don't know if they should expect it, but I can see it happening. It also depends a lot on one's idea of what 'worse' is in regards Internet access.
Why isn't the answer to bad service and high prices increasing competition rather than giving ISPs more leverage to over charge? Increasing competition is one way to go; it is definitely preferable to the current system. Alternatively, a system similar to how utilities are run (with heavy regulation in the form of price controls and service standards) might not be too bad either. The new rules are likely a good thing overall. But being good overall doesn't stop ISPs from jacking up rates just for fun and blaming the government for it.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
That's still better than what would happen if we didn't have net neutrality. Probably. But other people might have different opinions on it. Either way, it seems a possible scenario. Do you disagree with that?Love your enemies!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1656 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
quote: This is why satellite (or solar powered drone dirigibles) will beat out wire\cable\optic systems -- they can upgrade easier without having to replace transmission lines. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Either way, it seems a possible scenario. Do you disagree with that? I already explained to you that all you have to do is call them up and bitch a fit and then they'll lower the cost. You might have to threaten cancelling your service, that one always gets them - "oh look, I just found a promotional package that will cut your bill down by X%"
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Coyote, Faith, Catholic Scientist, Percy, are you with me? I just noticed my (old) name... I've always supported net neutrality. (BTW, I'm not a Republican)
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
quote:They have a long way to go to get to Satellite transmissions distances. I realize that Satellite is on the map for 5G but until we see some real world results it is all pie in the sky. There have been lots of technologies that started out well in the lab but were unable to exist in real world applications. Remember LightSquared? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.6 |
There are lots of problems with satellite; they're expensive, hard/impossible to maintain and upgrade (software apart), they don't scale (they're tiny in comparison to a data centre), power, resilience and redundancy are problems and because of the round trip distance from satellite to earth station, they have very high latency which makes real time applications like telephony and multiplayer games unworkable. (Until we find a way to send data faster than light speed, this can not be fixed.)
Their strengths are in delivering asynchronous media using single transmissions to many points simultaneously - ie broadcast. Using them for many individual, independent, streams ie narrowcast is very inefficient. I don't see satellite as a credible solution.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Okay. That might all be true, but I don't see how it relates to my claim that ISPs might try to raise their rates and blame the government.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Okay. That might all be true, but I don't see how it relates to my claim that ISPs might try to raise their rates and blame the government. Well, it was a way for you to fight back and get those rates un-raised. But honestly, why does it even matter that ISPs might try to raise their rates and blame the government? Is it the raising rates? Or the blaming the government? Or both? What about it am I supposed to care about? They've been raising rates left and right already. And what does it matter who they blame?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1656 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
quote: Go to GoFCCYourself.com and click on the [express] link on the right side. Keep the internet under Title II ps you need to hit enter after each name you enter by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Phat Member Posts: 18633 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
I sent in my petition. Now let me get this straight----basically, the internet is one of the last bastions of free and unguided media (or data) correct? As it should be. Free to publish Faiths rants, my rants, RAZD lengthy posts, and even porn and propaganda...as it now exists. The Republicans want to change that specifically how, again?
Hmmmm this reminds me of my request to Percy to clean up the archive. I suppose that my inner republican wants to make EvC Forum all neat and tidy, while a proponent of free information would leave every last bit of spam and worthless posts in the database. Given PC vs Free Information, I guess I'm voting for free information.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1656 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... The Republicans want to change that specifically how, again? Trump wants to undo everything Obama, and that includes undoing protecting the internet under Title II so that the ISPs can't charge different rates for different speeds provided, or even exclude some sites because they don't pay a fee to be available. Before Obama the internet fell under Title I, and Netscape sued the FCC and won to have tiered service. The judge told the FCC that they needed to be under Title II to protect neutrality, and congress and Obama made it so. It may be the last straw before people get together and form a crowd internet, certainly in urban areas Firechat Enables the Crowd to Become the Internet --Bypassing Central Powers | Jeremiah Owyang Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Phat Member Posts: 18633 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Im really confused now...looks like even The Conservative View supports net neutrality! Where does Trump get off? He is acting more and more like an authoritarian oligarch every day!
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3971 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
And who seems to be a biggie, for preserving net neutrality?
The Significance Of Sen. Al Franken's Call To Impose Net Neutrality On Google, Facebook and Amazon https://www.washingtonpost.com/...n-wants-to-turn-it-on-them etc. Al "Lips" Franken Moose ABE: or it that Al "The Tongue" Franken Edited by Minnemooseus, : ABE.
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Percy Member Posts: 22935 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
This article from the Verge includes the text of letters from the two dissenting FCC commissioners, Mignon Clyburn and Jessica Rosenworcel, objecting to net neutrality repeal:
Long, but worth reading. What we see described is the same duplicity seen in the Trump administration taking over the FCC. The vote is today. Net neutrality is expected to go down by a 3-2 vote along party lines. The issue then moves to congress and the courts. Oh, vote's over, net neutrality is dead. --Percy
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