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Chariots of God (Scripture & Photo Examined)

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Message 51 of 1310 (751294)
03-02-2015 9:31 AM 		Reply to: Message 42 by frako
03-01-2015 7:48 PM

Fracking with Frako
The problem is that we don't necessarily know the sum and totality of reality. I would argue that evidence alone is insufficient to define a definite reality.
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)
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Message 52 of 1310 (751295)
03-02-2015 9:34 AM 		Reply to: Message 49 by jar
03-02-2015 9:03 AM

Re: Yawn yet again.
jar writes:
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...your claims should never be accepted simply on faith and do require evidence. Until that evidence is presented and tested you are just spouting bullshit and fantasy.
Some claims have no evidence.
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Evidence is often lacking. The definition of the concept of "supernatural" is a good example. There is no evidence. This does not mean that the concept is a fantasy by default.
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)
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Message 55 of 1310 (751299)
03-02-2015 9:40 AM 		Reply to: Message 53 by jar
03-02-2015 9:36 AM

Re: Yawn yet again.
jar writes:
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A claim that something is supernatural certainly needs evidence, very very very strong evidence, to be taken as other than fantasy.
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Ok...point taken.
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Do we have the right to judge someones belief as fantasy? If so is it because evidence is lacking? Why cant we just say that we dont know if they are right or not?
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)
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Message 60 of 1310 (751310)
03-02-2015 10:21 AM 		Reply to: Message 58 by Larni
03-02-2015 9:55 AM

Re: Fracking with Frako
Larni writes:
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What is your rationale for that?
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Personal experience.
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Frako writes:
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How else can we?
Trusting our personal experience.
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By guessing?
Are you suggesting that unevidenced faith is the same thing as guessing?
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)
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Message 364 of 1310 (753043)
03-16-2015 7:18 AM 		Reply to: Message 363 by frako
03-16-2015 7:14 AM

Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
I'll make you an offer with virtual money!
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)
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Message 383 of 1310 (753221)
03-18-2015 10:39 AM 		Reply to: Message 382 by jar
03-18-2015 9:56 AM

Re: Blind to Reality
that should be Spirit with a capital S.
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There is only one whom is genuine.
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)
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Message 385 of 1310 (753230)
03-18-2015 11:45 AM 		Reply to: Message 384 by jar
03-18-2015 10:42 AM

Re: Blind to Reality
For a guy who claims to be Christian you have some dense roadblocks in your head.
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Do you believe in One Holy Spirit, as your Nicene Creed affirms?
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And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the Father and Son is worshipped and glorified, and Who spoke from the prophets.
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Yes, I realize it is a belief. What you probably don't realize is that God, if God exists is in no need of evidential support.
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But then I'm guessing that you want me to provide support for the benefit of others.
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Surely you require no such evidence.
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)
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