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Author Topic:   Jihadists must die, --- but our real enemies are the Qur’an and Bible.
anglagard
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Message 80 of 375 (759013)
06-07-2015 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
06-06-2015 3:52 PM


Gay Marriage in History
Faith writes:
But I HAVE to say that imputing a rejection of gay marriage to religion is historically bonkers. NO CULTURE EVER even considered gay marriage; it's a complete innovation that flies in the fact of plain COMMON SENSE, having NOTHING to do with religion though it is being made a very convenient excuse for attacking Christianity in particular.
Wrong again Faith.
From the Wiki:
quote:
A same-sex union was known in Ancient Greece and Rome,[2] ancient Mesopotamia,[3] in some regions of China, such as Fujian province, and at certain times in ancient European history.[4] These same-sex unions continued until Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. A law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) was issued in 342 AD by the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans, which prohibited same-sex marriage in ancient Rome and ordered that those who were so married were to be executed. [5]
If same sex marriage did not exist in the Roman Empire, why would Constantius II and Constans feel compelled to make it illegal not long after their father, Constantine, made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire?
Have you read Suetonius, Tacitus, or Cassius Dio, etc.?
I have.
Also:
quote:
In North America, among the Native Americans societies, same-sex unions have taken place with persons known as Two-Spirit types. These are individuals who fulfill one of many mixed gender roles in First Nations and Native American tribes. "In many tribes, individuals who entered into same-sex relationships were considered holy and treated with utmost respect and acceptance," according to anthropologist Brian Gilley.[44]
Have you read Curtis, Black Elk, etc. or taken grad classes in history?
I have.
I already know your response, if there is one at all. It will be denial accompanied by a pathological insistence you are never wrong about anything, just as in the case of Martin Luther's blatant and historically verified antisemitism.
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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 82 of 375 (759015)
06-07-2015 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Faith
06-07-2015 11:30 PM


Re: The End of the End of Faith
Faith writes:
"Same sex relationships" or "unions" even officialized in some sense, are not marriage. And so what if a few existed in the morally rotten Roman Empire?
I can see how you manage to argue the Bible contains no contradictions when you even manage to contradict yourself in only two sentences.
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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 84 of 375 (759018)
06-08-2015 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
06-07-2015 11:53 PM


Re: The End of the End of Faith
You said:
Faith writes:
"Same sex relationships" or "unions" even officialized in some sense, are not marriage. And so what if a few existed in the morally rotten Roman Empire?
Isn't that what those Roman marriages "Same sex relationships, even officialized in some sense" exactly what they are? And right after that to admit "a few existed" not a contradiction of "are not marriage?"

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 87 of 375 (759023)
06-08-2015 2:13 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Faith
06-08-2015 12:24 AM


Transparent
Faith writes:
NO CULTURE EVER even considered gay marriage
Faith writes:
And so what if a few existed in the morally rotten Roman Empire?
No contradiction here, cause Faith says so.
Faith writes:
The whole point is you are talking about very rare events in abnormal cultures and I was referring to the vast majority of human cultures in all times and places.
As the church lady on Saturday Night Live said "aren't we special."
It's your abnormal culture as it is mine. Are you actually asserting Western Civilization is not a descendent of Greece and Rome?
Point out a direct counterexample to "NO CULTURE EVER even considered gay marriage" and what is the response? Simply call the culture which had so much influence over early Christianity and in fact made it their state religion "debased." Other cultures have what is essentially gay marriage? No problem, simply say it is not the equivalent of marriage. Point out you contradict yourself, no problem, oh look at the kitty.
You may think you are clever by moving the goalposts, deciding you are the arbiter of English language instead of the Oxford English Dictionary, and have elected yourself to speak for all cultures for all time, but all of us with experience know the truth about your transparent tactics.
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I already know your response, if there is one at all. It will be denial accompanied by a pathological insistence you are never wrong about anything, just as in the case of Martin Luther's blatant and historically verified antisemitism.
I must be a prophet as I can predict the future.
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anglagard
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Message 344 of 375 (761261)
06-30-2015 2:49 AM
Reply to: Message 343 by GDR
06-29-2015 8:15 PM


Causuality Breakdown
GDR writes:
Evolution is not cause or agency. Something was required to kick start the process. Was it an infinite regression of processes or was it because of a pre-existing intelligence? We can choose to believe either one but it is a subjective conclusion or belief.
I've said it before and I say it again, regardless of whether people like it or not, a philosophy of cause and effect always breaks down to a first uncaused cause be it named God or the singularity. It seems to me the only way around this dilemma is not to ask what happened before the singularity or who were God's parents but rather why are we exclusively compelled to believe in cause and effect as the only possible explanation.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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