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Author Topic:   Jihadists must die, --- but our real enemies are the Qur’an and Bible.
Greatest I am
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Message 1 of 375 (751087)
02-26-2015 7:30 PM


Jihadists must die, --- but our real enemies are the Qur’an and Bible.
Ridding ourselves of Islam’s extremist jihadists is good. But to allow the Qur’an and other Holy books, --- which create the jihadists, --- to remain unchanged is not good.
The passages that create our problems must be re-interpreted and re-rephrased for modern times. Revisions are quite common to most of the documents at hand. The passages which create the extremist view are the real enemy. Those passages create the mindset that is plaguing our young. In the long term, we are better served to kill what creates the jihadists of the future, and not the future Jihadists, by removing the Jihadist creating parts of their theologies and ideologies. It is a much more humane way to end that destructive type of extremist behavior.
To have real peace, we must do the same to the immoral parts of the Bible.
The Qur’an and the Bible are both creating misogynous and homophobic religions that deny many of us equality. World/Male domination of a few over the many of us is the goal of both of the two largest of the mainstream religions. Those who fly the cross and those who fly the star and crescent. Both groups are idol worshipers and not the God seekers that Jesus wanted for mankind. Shame on both the cross and those who fly the star and crescent.
Justice demands that both the Qur’an and the Bible be revised and thus force the mainstream religions to upgrade, modernize and join us in the present instead of living with ancient Gods. Governments should force the policies of the Gods to become more acceptable to mankind. After all, governments created religions to serve us. Not to dominate us.
Secular Governments, who are answerable to you and me, should rule without religions getting in the way of progress. Social control and manipulation is better in government hands than what religions offer. Ask any woman or gay. Those two oppressed groups want social manipulation of the social manipulators and their poor moral and religious attitudes. To give any ruling power to invisible absentee Gods is foolish.
Should secular governments pick up the pace and shed ourselves of the misogynous Qur’an and Bible. Have those cursed books created enough grief for women and gays? Have we allowed the downgrading of women long enough?
Man is God. God needs and wants a Goddess. Secular men are free and equal. Should our women not also be free and equal?
Should we urge our governments to force changes to the violent misogynistic Qur’an and Bible to make those documents more civilized?
Regards
DL

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Message 9 of 375 (751174)
02-28-2015 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by AZPaul3
02-27-2015 9:00 AM


AZPaul3
How long should we tell women, even in the West, that they have to wait for a better education system before expecting any form of equality under the law?
You go ahead and tell you wife and daughters that you are working on that better education system.
Regards
DL

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Message 10 of 375 (751175)
02-28-2015 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Jon
02-27-2015 10:09 AM


Jon
I agree that it is people who need changing but if we do not urge them to improve their teaching and indoctrination tools, that change in people will not happen.
Even just the conversation on this issue would change some minds but let's not try to civilise ourselves or our Christian and Muslim friends.
Regards
DL

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Message 11 of 375 (751176)
02-28-2015 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by New Cat's Eye
02-27-2015 10:16 AM


Cat Sci
Was keeping I.D. out of high school a poor idea as well?
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DL

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Message 12 of 375 (751177)
02-28-2015 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by 1.61803
02-27-2015 10:27 AM


1.61803
I am not concerned with the more intelligent. It is the less intelligent that need the help and not reading certain passages that justify Jihad would go a long way to that end.
Regards
DL

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Message 18 of 375 (751231)
03-01-2015 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by AZPaul3
02-28-2015 2:21 PM


AZPaul3
Equality in the West. How droll if it was not such a sad state of affairs.
What are women up to now in terms of equal pay for equal work? 80% of so. Right?
If we do not walk our talk in the West, it is not surprising that those who we criticise ignore us.
Regards
DL

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Message 19 of 375 (751232)
03-01-2015 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by NoNukes
02-28-2015 4:33 PM


If I have to argue that we are product of what we are taught by the books we read for you, then you would not understand it.
Where did you get your view of religion if not from what you have read of a religious nature?
Where do you think Jihadists get theirs if not from what they have read of a religious nature?
Regards
DL

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Message 20 of 375 (751233)
03-01-2015 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by frako
03-01-2015 9:02 AM


frako
A great idea.
That and begin all holy books with a disclaimer stating that it was written by immoral people.
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DL

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Message 21 of 375 (751234)
03-01-2015 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by jar
03-01-2015 9:20 AM


Re: Yawn
jar
Having a bad day are we?
Regards
DL

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Message 22 of 375 (751235)
03-01-2015 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Jon
03-01-2015 1:45 PM


Jon
That is what their so called holy books teach.
Have you not noted that even the most progressive counties are not quite walking their talk yet.
We are getting better but are not quite there yet.
Regards
DL

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Message 35 of 375 (753410)
03-19-2015 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by AZPaul3
03-01-2015 3:19 PM


AZPaul3
If we use "Social Enlightenment. Education. Not censorship."--- then we need do nothing to your poorly written and amended constitution.
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DL

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Message 36 of 375 (753411)
03-19-2015 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by NoNukes
03-01-2015 5:05 PM


Phat
I agree and so does the bible that Jesus was plan A.
That fact is what makes Christianity such an immoral creed.
Your God chose to have Jesus murdered even before he created the potential for sin.
1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
The following 2 quotes are why I call what God did murder. As you can see, a sacrifice was not required.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
As you can see all are saved without a sacrifice.
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Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him but I see that you have taken the line that someone else should pay your dues. Quite manly and moral that. Not.
Do you really think someone else can pay your dues and allow you to shirk your just reward?
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
As above so below.
If you had God's power, would you not be able to find a way that does not go against the wisdom of Jesus and the bible?
Perhaps like being man enough to step up to your own demands for a worthy sacrifice?
That is what a good God would do.
Regards
DL

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Message 37 of 375 (753412)
03-19-2015 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by 1.61803
03-02-2015 10:10 AM


1.61803
I agree but you do not seem to recognise that their demented ideology they get from the book that advocate changing.
Their ideology will not change without revisions to their books.
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DL

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Message 38 of 375 (753413)
03-19-2015 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by AZPaul3
03-02-2015 5:01 PM


Re: The First is first.
AZPaul3
Things would hit the fan and just the conversation as to myth or reality of these mythical books would go a long way in reducing the number of religious literalists.
Facts tend to do that.
Regards
DL

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Message 44 of 375 (758926)
06-05-2015 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by MrHambre
06-05-2015 6:18 AM


Re: The End of the End of Faith
MrHambre
I am not an atheist but encourage atheist to not take the crap that the usual believer tries to push.
I like to see people run hot or cold and the non-believing world has been abused by most mainstream religions long enough.
I give religions as much heat as I can and think atheists should do the same. I think it a part of our social contract to each other to correct damaging religious thinking.
The mainstream Western religions deserve no respect at all in my view as they show how useless and immoral they are by their institutionalized homophobia and misogyny.
If morals cannot be their prime objective then they are not worthy.
Regards
DL

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