Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it

You may be onto something here. Combine the fact that she sees things that aren't actually there, uses words that don't mean what she thinks they mean supported by logic that doesn't follow and you have quite a recipe for misunderstanding.I've never imagined that someone would take the uneven, blasted to smithereens face of a road cut and attempt to attribute tectonic activity to the blow to bits exposure. Strange things are afoot at the Circle KJB

My incredulity with regard to her response centers around her assertion that there is some meaning to the small overhangs on the blasting face.Without evidence of a fault, the fact that the layers aren't perfectly horizontal is merely more evidence for the known fact that sediment doesn't deposit perfectly horizontal.JB

That's one of the really strange things about this particular exchange. I think of looking at a cut like that as looking at the edge of a book -- with an edge view we can see how thick the pages are, what color they are, what they are made of, etc. If we tear the book in half and look at the torn face, we can still see all of the above, but we certainly can't then claim knowledge of the past by whether someone tore the book straight across or at an angle. Likewise, when with bulldozers and dynamite they cut through a hill (yes Faith, that's the actual location of the image we've been looking at) the shape of the cut and the route they chose to dig isn't rationally part of an YE/OE argument.JBEdited by ThinAirDesigns, : No reason given.

BINGO!!!That's why I've been suggesting she find a lake or pond and merely step in or even reach in at the edge and feel all the gooey sediments. Since the lake is deeper in the center, there you have your sloped sediment evidence first hand.I don't know anything of Faith's situation but considering her comment about her sight, perhaps she is rather shut in and simply can't get out to see the real world and how her positions don't fit with what's out there. While having sympathy for such a plight, I would echo the comments of HDB where it was suggested she take a softer stance if she can't see or get out and about.She reminds me so much of George M Price and it isn't funny.JB

I think you'll find that the drilling / blasting was done in two cuts (see line below) and that none of the drill holes go from top to bottom. It's a bit hard to see (low res Street View), but that is a common method of excavation and you can see the offsets in the holes.JB

I think Faith is looking for end view holes rather than side view channels which are remnants of the drilled holes.

I'm suspecting more and more that Faith also has difficulty thinking in 3D. Her recent comments on the road cut and cut construction has highlighted that. Some folk just don't operate well when attempting to imagine things in 3D.It's as if she imagines that the road cut face existed and guys went to work drilling on it, making decisions about what to blast and what not to blast by looking at it. No recognition that this was just a small hill in a pasture that they drilled down into relatively blind and blew it to bits.Combine the rigid belief in that which doesn't exist with spatial imagination issues and bad eyesight and there's not much to work with.Quite a challenge.JB

I'm still trying to figure out what you mean by "separated". Are you saying that there is an air gap (a cave of sorts) between the two layers?JB

How big are these "caves"? How did they form? How widespread are they?And most importantly, what is the evidence for them? (because these "caves" don't exist in the picture as much as your muddled eyesight wants to see them)JB

Wait, just a couple posts ago you responded with a very assertive "Yes" when asked about the "caves", but now you're clearly saying you can't know if they are caves without being up close with lights and a camera?It's really hard to figure out your position when it ping pongs. Is your position now that you can't tell or are there caves?

Need marked drawing to respond. Want to be sure we're talking about the same thing.

Holy crap Faith -- in addition to admittedly having poor eyesight, you're drawing lines indicating slopes when you haven't a freaking clue the plane of the surface you are drawing on.Since the layers you are drawing lines on aren't at the level of the camera, any 'out of plane' aspect of the cut will make it look like the layers themselves are not in plane when in fact they can perfectly be.A perfect example of this issue is illustrated in the picture below -- we know that the porch floor, rail tops and eaves all fall on offset but identical planes. Notice how the rail top appears to be a straight line (because it's camera level) but the floor and eaves create lines that if emphasized with colors (as you did on the rocks above) would not be parallel? No one came along after the cabin was built and squeezed the left and right ends of that cabin together, it's just an artifact of 2D lines on a 3D object.I'm convinced that in addition too the eyesight problem, you have difficulties in the transition from your 2D screen to the 3D world.JB

To answer the question from HDB, a gap below does you no good, you need to explain how the left edge of the orange lines tilted downward (so you say) at the red arrow while leaving the yellow line in place without producing gap inside the red circle.

How do you know? My point exactly is that you CAN'T know currently. Have you leaned up against that wall and sighted down it to know it's perfectly in plane? Which way is it out of plane? It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to make your "I'm right" claim with the information you have.In fact, the faces upon which you drew your long yellow line and tilted orange lines weren't even blasted at the same time but are the result of two different drill/blast sequences. You have no way to know if they are perfectly parallel.JB

It's a simple question Faith, and one you need to answer if your hypothesis is to be considered.A: If the lower material (orange) sagged as you propose
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B: The upper material (yellow) remained in place as you propose... then where in the red circle is the gap/broken contact/cave (all your terms) that would be required?