Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it

In the face of radiometric ages (that would be 'evidence' to most of us), yes, it seems more sensible. And we can discuss rates of other geological processes also if you want. But I'm pretty sure you don't want to. That would be supporting evidence after all... Even to people who don't know about the evidence, yes. Who is sad? Yes, when one considers the evidence, it sure does seem to be that way. "Proofs"?What on earth are you talking about? But yes, when one actually studies the rocks, there is a certain confidence in the consilience of evidence.

According to whom? This would be a good place to tell us why it's laughable.

Yes, they are actually trace fossils that don't run away to escape flood waters. I'm not asking for a great number of human fossils at the Great Unconformity, just one would be nice, and maybe a few broken pottery pieces. How did they escape fossilization? So, a people who could create an Ark that would withstand turbulent flood conditions and weather, lived in grass houses?

Heh, heh...This reminds me of another forum a year or so ago where a poster said that human remains (and I guess houses, tools, etc.) could not be fossilized because of some 'different state' wherein humans were 'spiritual' and not 'physical'.ETA: maybe they had spiritual coprolites, too...Does Faith want to reach that far for an explanation?Edited by edge, : No reason given.

Read carefully, I never said you wrote these things.

Once again, who?Besides, everyone here has provided evidence except for you. So who 'recognizes that there is no real evidence'? All I'm doing is asking for evidence. And I'm not the only one...

All I'm saying is that it's not out of YEC bounds. I just thought it was a funny story. We get way to serious here. Why can't you laugh along?

Actually, this is untrue.When you asked for modern erosional flat surfaces, you were shown several. To this date, you have not acknowledged these images. Once you accept that strata are laid down according to superposition and in a sequence, that becomes a timeline. It records certain events and offers clues to the past. If you have no desire to learn about the past, that's fine with me, but let the rest of us learn things about the earth. So, if I see a gold vein cutting across a schist, that has no meaning to you? Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix quote box.

What you are seeing is a graphic representation of the bankruptcy of the YEC position.Granted that some may make a better case, but the result is always the same and anger often is the ultimate product.ETA: But no, that is not too much to ask, but it may be too much to expect. Edited by edge, : No reason given.

Actually, we were talking about the order of geological events in the Grand Canyon. I don't remember absolute ages being the thrust of the conversation, only that the Great Unconformity is older than the Paleozoic rocks of the GC. Maybe you should dial it back a little bit, Faith. The data supporting an old earth are numerous and well-known. I didn't know that you were unaware of the various clocks which tell us that the earth is very ancient.

Okay, so why no human fossils or trace fossils in the first phases of the flood?

Based on the Columbia River Basalts, there are some eruptions into lakes and streams, but that's about it. The eruptions are dominantly subaerial. Not sure what you mean by 'frozen over'. In this case, my guess is minimal. From my experience that part of the world didn't really get that much ice. Well, the data say millions. If I may interject here...The point is not how long it takes the lava to cool. Lave cools rapidly compared to plutonic rocks anyway. We can see this in the fine-grained texture of volcanic rocks. In a geological sense, any lava flow is almost instantaneous.The real point here is whether all of the volcanism on earth occurred within the last 4ky. Plutonism is more appropriate and it is clear that plutons can take very long times to cool. To this day, there are hot springs signifying high heat flows (cooling) in the Idaho Batholith where the last plutons are dated at about Eocene, IIRC. That's about 40 million years ago.But still, that's not my point. If you look at the Volcanic Explosivity Index, a few things can be noted.Volcanic explosivity index - WikipediaWhat we call 'supervolcanoes' occur in the geological record and are defined as ejecting more than a thousand cubic kilometers of ejecta (I love that word...). One of these, Toba, is thought to have coincided with a bottleneck in the human population of the time; and there are three more of these provided as examples in the table. Tambora, the largest observed volcanic eruption in history is an order of magnitude smaller; and Pinatubo, one of the largest modern eruptions, is another magnitude smaller.As mentioned earlier, Laki, in Iceland may have indirectly caused the deaths of 6 million people globally, due mostly to famine.And we haven't even touched the Large Igneous Provinces such as the ones Jar is referring to, and I believe there were about 16 of those on the planet.And neither have we touched on the gases released by all of these eruptions. That's another subject.I'm sorry, but I'm having a problem with all of this happening in 4ky. However, when you look at all of the geochronological data, it makes a lot more sense to accept old ages for all of this volcanic activity. Otherwise, we probably wouldn't be here discussing this. Edited by edge, : No reason given.

So, you've got shearing. Please show us an example of a sheared texture at the Great Unconformity.Then tell us why we don't see it anywhere in the overlying rocks.By the way, the amount of deformation during the Kaibab uplift is nowhere near as intense as the folds you show in your blog. The problem you have is that the rubble appears in the Tapeats as well. This means that the Tapeats came after whatever event caused the rubble, either tectonic or sedimentary.

Well, it's a thought.Barely...We don't just dispose of an enormous quantity of rock and not attempt to explain it. However, erosion has been known to do that. A good question for you. Edited by edge, : No reason given.

Well, based on your model, shown here: ... it seems that room is created in the troughs of the folds. If we are to concentrate rubble anywhere, that would be the location, right?So, we would logically look for concentrations of rubble wherever there are fold troughs in the Great Unconformity surface. On the limbs and crests of the folds there should be minimal rubble concentration because that's where the basement rocks are being sheared off.This should also be where sheared rock textures would be prevalent.Okay. Where do you see this?ETA: In the meantime, the model shows that there is no stress on the upper book which, evidently, represents the Grand Canyon Phanerozoic rocks. How does that happen?Edited by edge, : No reason given.