Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it

You provided a link to the idiots shysters at Answers in Genesis that is a great example of how utterly silly their apologetics can get.Here is one section from YOUR link:

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With such a slow rate of accumulation, how did such monumental chalk beds form on an earth, which is, according to the Bible, a little over 6000 years old? For the chalk formations to have reached the thickness they are today in a few thousand years, the production of microorganisms would have had to greatly increase sometime in the past. In fact, under the right conditions, rapid production and accumulation of these microorganisms on the ocean floor is possible. These conditions include turbulent waters, high winds, decaying fish, and increased temperature and nutrients from volcanic waters and other sources.
White Cliffs of Dover

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With catastrophic volcanic activity warming the oceans and releasing large amounts of CO2, and with the torrential rains and the churning and mixing of fresh and salt waters, the Flood of Noah’s day produced the right conditions for a blooming production of microorganisms and the chalk’s rapid accumulation. The three major sections of the White Cliffs of Dover give evidence of three major blooms in chalk formation, which would have taken place during the year-long Flood.

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The purity of the chalk itself also points to rapid accumulation. One cannot imagine a scenario where deposits over millions of years could maintain such purity without accumulating some contaminating sediments from other events.

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Additional evidence for a global Flood in the White Cliffs of Dover includes the layering of the chalk in alternating thin, hard layers and thick, soft layers. In these hard layers, called hardgrounds, we find fossils of mollusk shells and other sea creatures, some as large as 3 feet (1 m) across (ammonites), which could not have been buried alive slowly! The same chalk formation in the Netherlands has yielded a very large Mosasaurus skull. Since sea life was not part of Noah’s cargo on the Ark, they had to endure the ravages of the Flood. Marine life would have been swept into the rapidly forming chalk and other sedimentary layers and quickly buried by successive deposits. That is why we find fossils of sea creatures in even the highest chalk layers, now far above the ocean.

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That is not evidence at all or by any definition and only a carny conman attempt to palm a pea. It is utterly dishonest.They simply make shit up, none of it supportable based on either of the Biblical Flood stories and just a great example of the basic dishonesty that forms the basis for "Biblical Christianity". They simply lie.Note they say "One cannot imagine a scenario where deposits over millions of years could maintain such purity without accumulating some contaminating sediments from other events." and then in the very next paragraph give examples of such other events when they say "Additional evidence for a global Flood in the White Cliffs of Dover includes the layering of the chalk in alternating thin, hard layers and thick, soft layers. In these hard layers, called hardgrounds, we find fossils of mollusk shells and other sea creatures, some as large as 3 feet (1 m) across (ammonites), which could not have been buried alive slowly! The same chalk formation in the Netherlands has yielded a very large Mosasaurus skull. ".Such nonsense may satisfy the willfully ignorant but certainly not any thinking person. And this is from the folk that imagine all kinds of shit that is not in either of the Biblical Flood myths like volcanoes and blooming chalk formations yet never touch the real evidence like just how that imagined flood could create the alternating layers or what the hell a "chalk bed is so that fishes get washed in or why no MODERN sea creatures or humans got washed in.SheeshEdited by jar, : hit wrong keyEdited by Admin, : Fix quote.Edited by jar, : should not call the folk at AIG idiots. It's clear they are not idiots but know the CCoI is really gullible

And don't forget superfine material below fine material below coarse material.Faith needs to present a model, method, mechanism, process or procedure to explain that.Edited by jar, : fin---> fine

To make it really simple are we not asking Faith to explain how and where the rest of the Super Group rocks got removed from the Tapeats Sandstone/Vishnu Schist interface OR how the parts of the Super Group that still exist could get laid down if not before the Tapeats Sandstone was laid down?

Yet you have offered no evidence there has ever been a Biblical flood or why a flood would cause tectonic activity or why weathering on the coast of Scotland would be greater than at the Grand Canyon or how your imagined slippage could happen without leaving evidence or how the rest of the Super Group rocks got removed from the Tapeats Sandstone/Vishnu Schist interface OR how the parts of the Super Group that still exist could get laid down if not before the Tapeats Sandstone was laid down or any explanation that is not totally refuted by all the evidence.

Well, actually Faith, no you haven't and it seems you simply have no clue what the words explanation, model, method, mechanism, process, procedure or evidence mean. No Faith, that is not evidence of a flood. It seems you simply have no clue what the words explanation, model, method, mechanism, process, procedure or evidence mean.All you have is an unsupported assertion and in fact an unsupported assertion that has been proven to be false for over two centuries.What you need is to explain how your magic flood could sort fossils as seen in reality or produce over six million alternating layers of fine then coarser material or as in the case of the Great Unconformity create a layer of super fine material and then place a layer of coarser sand stone over it or ...(fill in any of the millions of examples that refute your assertion). Again, that is simply another unsupported assertion that has been proven to be false for hundreds of years.The reality is that there is NO evidence connecting such things to any flood or any support (Biblical or otherwise) for any such catastrophic activity beginning at that time.The Atlantic rift is certainly not the earliest example of continental crust movement and all of the evidence shows it began and has been going on for at least 180 million years.Instead of just spouting nonsense an explanation would provide the evidence that the Atlantic rift is only several thousand years old or that the separation of the continents took place several thousand years ago as well as a model to explain how such magic happened. Again, just unsupported assertion. What you need is some evidence to explain how what is seen differs. Look at the canyons cut to make the Grand Canyon, the flash floods, the temperature extremes and show exactly why conditions at Siccar point are worse. Measurements Faith. Provide fact not speculation. Again Faith, stop just spouting whatever pops in your head. How is that evidence of slippage? What is the mechanism and how did it work? More simply stupid irrelevant bullshit Faith.What is the process for your flood selectively washing away over two vertical miles of rock and remember, if you want use the flood receding to remover part of the Super Group (a totally absurd notion to start with) you cannot use it to bring in material to create the layers above the Super Group.Of course you still have never explained how rain for only 40 days and 40 nights could erode anything that was not already eroded to start with. Again Faith, that is certainly not an explanation of anything.How did your magic flood lay down anything and in the actual order seen in reality. How did it lay down fine layers and the coarse layers and the limestone and how does your magic flood create the material to make sandstone or shale or mudstone or limestone or granite? No faith, again maybe it is just that you do not understand the words consistent and comprehensive. What you present is not consistent, not consistent with what a flood does or with what the evidence shows or even consistent throughout your assertions.It certainly is far from comprehensive since you never touch on how your model, mechanism, method, process, procedure actually does anything. How does your magic flood wear rock differently that annual monsoons or waterfalls? How does you magic flood deposit materials with coarser layers above finer layers?Details Faith. Explain how the magic worked.

Just trying to see if I could identify what is inhibiting discussion and suggest possible ways to improve the discussion.

One important point in what you are discussing is "sea level changes", not a series of waves or a flood but rather long term transgression and regression events separated by relatively static periods.

Again Faith, that is not a model until you can explain how your one month magic can create the materials that got deposited during each incident and why there are more than three magic incidents and how the material was created before being eroded, moved and deposited during your magic flood stuff.The reason your model doesn't apply is that it is not a model but rather just "insert magic miracle here".

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A corollary to that is that if the whole world were flooded there would be no erosion and just deposition. All the land surface would be below the lowest energy potential.What that would look like can be seen in examples of floods today; you get one relatively uniform deposition of material. We can see that in the US Mississippi drainage basin, in monsoon flooding across the Indian sub-continent, the Amazon, the Nile, all over the world. What we don't get from flooding events is what we see in reality; the multiple layered examples where one particular type of deposition dominates.Nowhere does a single flood ever leave layers of sandstone then shale, then limestone, then shale or sandstone again.

If there is no land left above water (as during the floods I mentioned) what we see happening is deposition. Based on the floods described in the Bible we would have relatively calm waters and all of the material picked up or eroded during the rain phase would get deposited. We also know that again based on the two different flood stories found in the Bible the water level gradually went down, fairly slowly over a period of about a year unlike the water rising phase that lasted only just over a month. There are no mentions of storms or tectonic activity or mountains rising or much of anything except the water receding. In fact there is no mention of the ark getting caught in any current or even being carried downhill. In the simplified diagrams presented by hbd and that I was replying to, sea level was defined as the low energy point.The key point is that once you wear the land surface down to sea level there is no place for land surface (what we live on) to go and conventional erosion stops.We can look at floods to see just what evidence a world wide flood would leave and then compare that to what we actually see. What we see is a relatively uniform deposition of material. We can see that in the US Mississippi drainage basin, in monsoon flooding across the Indian sub-continent, the Amazon, the Nile, all over the world. What we don't get from flooding events is what we see in reality; the multiple layered examples where one particular type of deposition dominates and each layer is different enough to be identifiable.So what we see when we look at floods everywhere simply does not look at all like what is seen in reality.Now to below sea level; an area irrelevant to a discussion of land surface humans normally live upon.Gravity continues of course. What hbd describes also would apply to the much slower changes below sea level. Erosion still moves material from high spots and deposits the material in low spots resulting in an overall leveling. It simply can't do diferently unless magic is invoked or reality suspended.

Not at all Faith, in fact just the opposite. Old Earth is a conclusion based on the evidence since there are no known processes that could do what exists in reality in anything less that long, long, long, long, long periods of time.Until someone (and in 250 years or more no one has been able to offer any model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that can explain what actually exists that is not as absurd, silly and laughable as what Answers in Genesis markets) presents the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure to explain what is seen old earth is the only possible conclusion.That is why Young Earth and either Biblical Flood have been DeadOnArrival for over two centuries.

What's wrong is first that there is absolutely no Biblical support for tectonic disturbances that uplift land, pushes up mountains breaks up and washes away the looser upper strata and cuts canyons and the stairs of the Grand Staircase and so on and so forth and no evidence in the real world for any such events within the last 6000 years and no known model, manner, method, mechanism, process or procedure that could do that.So far your ideas seem non starters both in the real world and based on either of the Bible flood stories.

It's interesting that Faith's only answer always comes back to magic, the imaginary flood deposits material but no mention of how the material was first created so that it could then be eroded or how the imaginary flood decides to create over six million alternating layers of fine and then coarser material or all the chalk that became the White Cliffs of Dover and the eroded them to turn them into cliffs or put dry sand dunes in the middle of imaginary flood deposits or any of the tens of thousands of other examples that prove the earth is old and that neither of the Biblical flood stories ever happened.It's interesting that not only is her only explanation for reality magic floods but that she also has to make up stuff that simply is not even in either of the Biblical flood stories.When you are totally divorced from truth or reality it is amazing what is possible.

But it was not water-soaked or wave produced but rather dry, wind blown sand dunes.So the question yet again is other than "magic" do you have a model, method, mechanism, process or procedure to explain how the sand was created and then transported, deposited and covered?