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Author | Topic: Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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By ddrawing conclusions from the way things seem to them, things that can't be proved, But science works. The explanations can be used to make predictions and lead to new discoveries. Things do end up behaving in the ways that they seem to scientists, even behaviors that occurred in the distant past but are only discovered these days. If they were all terribly wrong then that couldn't happen.
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SCIENCE works. But Old Earthism and Evolution are... Old Earthism and Evolution work just as well and the same as the rest of science.
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So now we're just slinging slogans. Is too science, is not, is too, is not. Not really, I'm talking about the stuff that works. I don't care if you call it science or not.
And this is exactly what I keep objecting to as ridiculous, the whole idea of imputing long eras of time to slabs of different kinds of rock. Okay, so what works instead?
They say it's evidence for the Old Earth, while all I can do is roll my eyes at such an idea. But you don't even really understand it, which was proved by your wholly inaccurate caracature.
Just as tney expect it to be intuitively obvious that it implies an old earth and evolution, I regard it as intuitively obvious that the idea is absurd in the extreme. But you don't even have the knowledge to grasp what you're actually looking at, which was proved by the drawings you made.
There is no evidence on either side, you are persuaded of either one or the other by your own subjective judgment. But I know this isn't true, because some of the explanations work and others don't. The ones from what I'm calling the scientific side can provide examples and reasoning, in the form of objective evidence, for why their explanation works. Do you think that you have also done that?
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Okay, I drop my claims of your misunderstandings, and I'll assume that you do understand it, can you now answer my questions:
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If you take the current rate and apply it to dated objects in geology it all works out just right.
Gosh what a coincidence, eh? {Isn't this what you said to me back in Message 827 where it made no sense?} Staight from the wiki page on consilience:
quote: In all the years we've been here I don't recall you ever addressing the consilience of data for an old earth. The only YEC explanation that I'm aware of is that God has to be tricking us all into thinking the earth is old, e.g. omphalism.
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I don't believe there is any consilience of data, it's all subjective interpretation. That's just because you can't believe that there is consilience of the data, or else your whole fantasy falls apart. In reality, there is consilience. Its easily found and easily demonstrable. It is objective quantified measurements, there's no subjective interpretation at all. You've been shown this over and over again but you just can't allow yourself to "believe" it. So really, there's no point in me trying to show it to you.
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I'm still curious about what you meant. Here's what she said in Message 889, in response to me pointing out the consilience of the data:
quote: By "coincidence", she means that scientists have set up the consilience through their subjective interpretations and that it isn't actually real to begin with.
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Why is it Faith that you have such hostility towards geology? The geologists are not out there to prove or disprove any deity but to enhance our understanding of the lithosphere. To me you sound like a person whod be willing to shout at the heart surgeons how bad a job theyre doing because youd watched a couple of episodes of "Dr House" and were familiar with words lupus or auto-immune. Its the Dunning-Kruger effect in full swing:
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That's because the request seems meaningless and unnecessary and I still see it that way. Horizontal is horizontal, why the quibbling? Its because you've said that certain sedimentary layers could not have formed through sedimentation because they are not horizontal enough. That makes people question how horizontal you think something has to be before you could accept that it was the result of sedimentation. You have yet to tell us.
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The larger circled area shows the general disturbance that occurred in the stack at that point, and the smaller circled area shows where the layer itself was broken. These are clear indicators that the layer was already formed when the disturbance occurred that caused the left side to sag. Formed enough to break but soft enough to sag. You're assuming it was just one event when they could have been separate events. The layer could have "sagged" while it was being deposited and then later after it solidified the circled parts broke off.
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