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Author Topic:   Presbyterian Church approves of same-sex marriages
Phat
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Message 46 of 123 (753562)
03-20-2015 3:00 PM
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03-20-2015 1:28 PM


Re: Phats Opinion
CatSci writes:

By that logic, women shouldn't marry men either.

If either partner finds themself idolizing the other and/or worshiping them than no, they shouldn't be married.


Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God — only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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Message 47 of 123 (753565)
03-20-2015 3:08 PM
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03-20-2015 3:00 PM


Re: Phats Opinion
If either partner finds themself idolizing the other and/or worshiping them than no, they shouldn't be married.

If two men who are in a relationship do not finds themself idolizing the other and/or worshiping them, then should they be married?


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Message 48 of 123 (753566)
03-20-2015 3:10 PM
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03-20-2015 3:00 PM


Re: Phats Opinion
If either partner finds themself idolizing the other and/or worshiping them than no, they shouldn't be married.

So the more in love they are then the more reason they have to not marry?


Love your enemies!

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Message 49 of 123 (753592)
03-20-2015 9:51 PM
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03-20-2015 3:00 PM


Re: Phats Opinion
Hey Phat, may I ask if you are married, have ever been married, or have ever been partnered?

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Phat
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Message 50 of 123 (753624)
03-21-2015 3:19 AM
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03-20-2015 9:51 PM


Re: Phats Opinion
No on all three. I have had lots of close friends and intimate relationships, however. Personally, I don’t believe that men should have feelings for other men...on the same level. That being said, I also feel that The church should not fight such relationships.Perhaps they can counsel and discuss such issues with their own members, but even then they should tread lightly and be sensitive.

Edited by Phat, : added input


Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God — only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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Phat
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Message 51 of 123 (753625)
03-21-2015 3:21 AM
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03-20-2015 3:10 PM


Re: Phats Opinion
So the more in love they are then the more reason they have to not marry?
Lets define what "being in love" involves and why it requires intimate physical contact.

Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God — only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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Phat
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Message 52 of 123 (753626)
03-21-2015 3:23 AM
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03-20-2015 3:08 PM


Re: Phats Opinion
CatSci writes:

If two men who are in a relationship do not finds themself idolizing the other and/or worshiping them, then should they be married?

Only for legal and/or economic tax benefit and inheritance reasons.

Marriage is a civil contract.


Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God — only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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Message 53 of 123 (753633)
03-21-2015 9:02 AM
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03-21-2015 3:23 AM


Re: Phats Opinion
Phat writes:

Marriage is a civil contract.

And a church may bless and sanctify a marriage.

Do you have a problem with that?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Phat
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Message 54 of 123 (753639)
03-21-2015 10:37 AM
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03-21-2015 9:02 AM


Re: Phats Opinion
Actually...after thinking about it...no. I have no problem with it.

Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God — only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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Jon
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Message 55 of 123 (753640)
03-21-2015 10:45 AM
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03-21-2015 3:21 AM


Re: Phats Opinion
Are you going to have a discussion or just keep pretending like you don't speak English?

Love your enemies!

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Phat
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Message 56 of 123 (753645)
03-21-2015 11:31 AM
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03-21-2015 10:45 AM


Re: Phats Opinion
OK, here is my opinion, Mr. Jon.

.I think that allowing gays (or any couple) to do whatever they want is not how the church should be. the church should encourage people to pursue their higher calling... I suppose the church should not demand that you come clean about what you do in the bedroom... but they should encourage their members to pursue higher callings.

Perhaps the whole same sex thing should not be a major issue any more.

Perhaps people in general should just be all treated the same.


Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God — only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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Message 57 of 123 (753650)
03-21-2015 12:11 PM
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03-21-2015 3:19 AM


Re: Phats Opinion
No on all three.

And that clearly shows in what you have been posting in this thread.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 58 of 123 (753653)
03-21-2015 12:26 PM
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03-20-2015 2:57 PM


Re: Phats Opinion
Phat writes:

The problem here---as I see it---is that you people don't understand the basic differences between needs and wants.


But you're not distinguishing between needs and wants. You're distinguishing between men and women. Opposite-sex marriages can have the same problems that you're complaining about, so why distinguish them from same-sex marriages at all?

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Message 59 of 123 (753682)
03-21-2015 5:04 PM
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Re: Phats Opinion
I think that allowing gays (or any couple) to do whatever they want is not how the church should be. the church should encourage people to pursue their higher calling... I suppose the church should not demand that you come clean about what you do in the bedroom... but they should encourage their members to pursue higher callings.

Perhaps the whole same sex thing should not be a major issue any more.

Perhaps people in general should just be all treated the same.

What the churches could be doing is encouraging the two men to have a matrimony that is holy, in the same way that they do for a man and women. You know, giving yourself totally to the other person while keeping your union loving and promoting of good values.

Staying hung up on whether or not they should "allow" it, while the men are going out and getting married, misses out on a great opportunity to keep God in the picture.

They're going to have to stop being so dogmatic about hating men lying together if they don't want to be left in the dust.


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Message 60 of 123 (753686)
03-21-2015 5:14 PM
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03-21-2015 5:04 PM


Re: Phats Opinion
Staying hung up on whether or not they should "allow" it, while the men are going out and getting married, misses out on a great opportunity to keep God in the picture.

They're going to have to stop being so dogmatic about hating men lying together if they don't want to be left in the dust.

Lesson being: As much as they may hate it, not even the church is immune from the processes of evolution...


Love your enemies!

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