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Topic: Sinning for Others
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 12 of 43 (761887)
07-06-2015 12:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 11 by Phat
07-06-2015 7:58 AM
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Re: Sin by definition
Phat writes: I suppose the question is whether sin is a belief or a definition of transgression in general.
If sin can be a transgression against yourself, for example, it should be possible to forgive yourself.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: First post >.<
Cat Sci writes: What does blasphemy of the HS mean to you?
To me it seems like a catch-all no-escape clause: "Thou shalt not A, B, C... or anything else that God doesn't want you to do." As iano used to say, it's impossible to obey the law.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: First post >.<
Cat Sci writes: That's what Jesus said Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was. Its when God does something and then you go: "Nah, that wasn't God that was the devil."
I think you're being too specific. Blasphemy is all about attitude and respect. I call it a catch-all because "the judge" can always say, "I don't like your attitude," - i.e. he can find you in contempt whether you intended contempt or not.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 29 of 43 (762282)
07-10-2015 12:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 26 by Phat
07-10-2015 11:57 AM
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Re: First post >.<
Phat writes: It would seem to me the whole idea is whether the Judge has any right to hold you accountable to an arbitrary standard.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's an arbitrary standard, entirely at the whim of the judge and sometimes unpredictable.
Phat writes: I would argue that he does, in fact, have that power and that right.
So might makes right?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: First post >.<
Cat Sci writes: Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit is different than just your regular old everyday blasphemy....
Sez you.
Cat Sci writes: Also, if the judge is God then he should be able to look inside you and see if your contempt was intended, so that analogy isn't working for me.
God's omniscience is irrelevant. It's the fact that you don't know how He will react that makes it impossible to obey the law.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: First post >.<
Cat Sci writes: The question was about an unforgivable sin.
And my answer was that the definition of "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is too wishy-washy for us to be sure we're not doing it.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: First post >.<
Cat's Eye writes: Huh? You just said I was being too specific, now its wishy-washy?
Yes. The definition is wishy-washy and you're cherry-picking one possibility to make it simple. Like if the Bible says "a large animal" and you say, "a cow".
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: First post >.<
Cat Sci writes: No, the story I posted is the only mention of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit and is the only mention of an unforgivable sin.
That's the problem. You can't derive a general principle from one example. You have one cherry in the nebula but you have no basis for drawing a line.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: First post >.<
Cat Sci writes: What is this general principle I have derived and what line have I drawn?
You've drawn a line between blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and plain old garden variety blasphemy. You've used one example in the Bible to "prove" that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unique. But the Bible as a whole isn't all that clear on what the Holy Spirit even is, so it isn't possible to pinpoint what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is either.
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